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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I' not making a moral case for this, but is this news? I think everyone assumed the WA was a sticking plaster to get the brexit bill through parliaments here and in Brussels. If there were any chance of us actually sticking to it I think BJ would have had a problem with the ERG at the time. The main areas seem to be state aid and NI customs.
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Tell us another time we’ve signed up to an international agreement with an ally and in less than a year we’ve unilaterally decided to go back on it.

Of course it’s news. Even if we don’t go through with it, it will alter the standing of this country from one that can be trusted to one where we might make a transactional short term decision that goes against what’s been agreed in good faith. It will take a long time to get that reputation as a trustworthy country back and will provide justification for other countries to do the same to us if it suits them.
 
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Tell us another time we’ve signed up to an international agreement with an ally and in less than a year we’ve unilaterally decided to go back on it.

Of course it’s news. Even if we don’t go through with it, it will alter the standing of this country from one that can be trusted to one where we might make a transactional short term decision that goes against what’s been agreed in good faith. It will take a long time to get that reputation as a trustworthy country back and will provide justification for other countries to do the same to us if it suits them.
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With brexit being so bad in every possible way, I suppose we are in a no-lose situation. Theresa May's govt was a nice trustworthy one which seemed to have a great relationship with the EU, but for some reason was replaced with the current lot.
 
BobKowalski said:
The RoI will set up and man their side of the border. They won’t be thrilled but they’ll just blame the English and everyone will agree apart from some hardcore Unionists. We will have to man the border on the NI side. That’s is what you do with borders in the absence of international agreements.

Nicola is already tweeting with excitement over this which pretty much tells you how it will play in Scotland and if the UK can renege on an international treaty then Spain will look at Gibraltar and wonder if they are really that obligated under their treaty provisions.

The problem with disregarding International Law is that it can work both ways.
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That’s a good point about Gibraltar. The same can be said for the Falklands and even possibly the sovereign base areas in Cyprus.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I' not making a moral case for this, but is this news? I think everyone assumed the WA was a sticking plaster to get the brexit bill through parliaments here and in Brussels. If there were any chance of us actually sticking to it I think BJ would have had a problem with the ERG at the time. The main areas seem to be state aid and NI customs.
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There is no moral case for this.

Everyone assumed? It was an election manifesto commitment. Not just any election commitment, a Mendacious and Shit commitment.

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The problem for Sturgeon is she is subject to UK law I suppose. She had her referendum and it didn't go her way iirc.
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International law is UK law.

If the government is not subject to UK law, why should anyone be? But then I forget you're wumming.
 
Does Cummings think he can do this without a Parliamentary vote? This goes straight to the Supreme Court.
 
Another story out of Dublin via RTE that

‘London has for weeks been asking Dublin to intercede with the European Commission to be flexible on the NI Protocol and in return the UK would help Ireland on the land bridge issue

The story is supported by senior sources in Dublin and London. Specifically, Irish officials have been asked if they could persuade the Commission to allow supermarket consignments going GB-NI to be checked at GB depots, rather than at NI ports‘

It would seem London is getting increasingly desperate over what it signed up to with the WA and NI Protocols and all this flapping is chickens coming home to roost.
 
Its too late .. the damage has been done. Even the suggestion that we might overrule an international treaty has caused our country massive damage. How f@ckin dare Johnson drag this country down to his level.

The bar is very very low indeed.
 
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I'm waiting for those who insisted the democratic mandate of the referendum must be respected to justify this.

The opening words of the Tory manifesto:
"My guarantee. If there is a majority of Conservative MPs on December 13th, I guarantee I will get our new deal through Parliament."

None will dare say he fulfilled that, will they? That we couldn't change our mind with another referendum, but he can fulfil a promise then renege on it? Or will they say we all knew what "my guarantee" means?
 
The government governs by headlines. It wouldn’t surprise me if they planted this story last night only to come out and deny it today
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The Scots were also lied to by the Tory Party ....notice a theme here?
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Absolutely, I'm not the person to ask if you are after a justification /defence of the Conservative party. I didn't vote for them, but millions did - presumably with their eyes open as they've governed us for over ten years. In four years they'll get what they deserve at the next GE.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Absolutely, I'm not the person to ask if you are after a justification /defence of the Conservative party. I didn't vote for them, but millions did - presumably with their eyes open as they've governed us for over ten years. In four years they'll get what they deserve at the next GE.
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Stuff that. Making a mess over an unknown virus is excusable. Abandoning the central guarantee of the election campaign is execrable. Are there 40 Tory MPs with enough honour to stop it? (Daft question probably, but you never know.)
 
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