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Vic said:
No like result four years ago. No like resulting chaos now.
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It is a shame you have had to go through all this especially the chaos now which hasn’t happened yet. Dont bottle it up fella. The thread was opened exactly for people like you, it’s your safe space:-)
 
Vic said:
Well, not entirely. It's been educational. I've used arguments honed here in other contexts, some where people are amenable to thinking Brexit might be a mistake (easily most of the population now, including Cummings). And I'm much better at recognising wummers and BS merchants.
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You’re trying to change the nations mind one by one? Fuck me thats dedication Vic. It’s also years too late.
 
Hilarious from Raab...EU and US chuckling over that one.

‘Beijing’s imposition of new rules to disqualify elected legislators in Hong Kong constitutes a clear breach of the Joint Declaration. We will hold China to the obligations it freely assumed under international law’
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Foreign Secretary declares breach of Sino-British Joint Declaration

Following the disqualification of four pro-democracy lawmakers in Hong Kong, the UK Government has declared China in breach of the Sino-British Joint Declaration.
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hilts said:
It is a shame you have had to go through all this especially the chaos now which hasn’t happened yet. Dont bottle it up fella. The thread was opened exactly for people like you, it’s your safe space:-)
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The chaos has been going on for a while for a lot of people to be fair.

I completely get it that for a lot of people, nothing has happened for them yet and even in a no deal scenario, they don’t foresee any real difference to their lives. I think they do forget sometimes that for a lot of people, it’s already had a huge impact on their lives and livelihoods already, I’ve witnessed it first hand over the last couple of years and it really hasn’t been pleasant for some. It’s not just about cyclical debates on Internet forums.

Im not meaning that as an argument against brexit or anything, just that I think real life impacts that have already happened or are happening deserve a bit of acknowledgment and humility at times.
 
meltonblue said:
The chaos has been going on for a while for a lot of people to be fair.

I completely get it that for a lot of people, nothing has happened for them yet and even in a no deal scenario, they don’t foresee any real difference to their lives. I think they do forget sometimes that for a lot of people, it’s already had a huge impact on their lives and livelihoods already, I’ve witnessed it first hand over the last couple of years and it really hasn’t been pleasant for some. It’s not just about cyclical debates on Internet forums.

Im not meaning that as an argument against brexit or anything, just that I think real life impacts that have already happened or are happening deserve a bit of acknowledgment and humility at times.
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Well said.

Whilst 75% (at a guess) of the population haven't experienced the direct effects of Brexit yet, it will be interesting to see what that figure will be a couple of months into the new year when there could well be an impact on price and availability of some goods that most people use, such as the 30% of all our food which is imported from the EU which may be subject to tariffs and will be subject to delays at ports and additional logistical costs.

On the other hand I can see an increased market for refrigerated transport to keep food fresh for longer. Every cloud....
 
meltonblue said:
The chaos has been going on for a while for a lot of people to be fair.

I completely get it that for a lot of people, nothing has happened for them yet and even in a no deal scenario, they don’t foresee any real difference to their lives. I think they do forget sometimes that for a lot of people, it’s already had a huge impact on their lives and livelihoods already, I’ve witnessed it first hand over the last couple of years and it really hasn’t been pleasant for some. It’s not just about cyclical debates on Internet forums.

Im not meaning that as an argument against brexit or anything, just that I think real life impacts that have already happened or are happening deserve a bit of acknowledgment and humility at times.
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That’s a fair point and I certainly wouldn’t revel in anyone who has suffered from a vote 4 years ago. Not seen a post or heard from anyone who has been affected to be honest.

Although I must say it should probably work both ways and I remember a somewhat heated debate where we discussed the implications on jobs for certain people and negative effects of being in the EU. In the end the handful of repetitive remainers on here were of the opinion that it was just tough shit they should get another job. Which was nice:-)
 
hilts said:
That’s a fair point and I certainly wouldn’t revel in anyone who has suffered from a vote 4 years ago. Not seen a post or heard from anyone who has been affected to be honest.

Although I must say it should probably work both ways and I remember a somewhat heated debate where we discussed the implications on jobs for certain people and negative effects of being in the EU. In the end the handful of repetitive remainers on here were of the opinion that it was just tough shit they should get another job. Which was nice:-)
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Yes, I didn’t mean it just one way, the overall point is the same.

On your first paragraph, that is kind of my point. Just because it’s not happening to people directly doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be any acknowledgement of it.
 
meltonblue said:
Yes, I didn’t mean it just one way, the overall point is the same.

On your first paragraph, that is kind of my point. Just because it’s not happening to people directly doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be any acknowledgement of it.
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True and a remainer has guessed that 25% of the population has been affected, and that’s why the thread is a pointless circle to be entered into infrequently unless one is stark raving mad.
 
meltonblue said:
Yes, I didn’t mean it just one way, the overall point is the same.

On your first paragraph, that is kind of my point. Just because it’s not happening to people directly doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be any acknowledgement of it.
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In fairness how can I acknowledge something I’ve not heard of?
 
Hart of the Matter said:
This is a much more immediate reason to stockpile and panic buy than covid ever was...
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The way I see it - A deal is done. Selling it to the head bangers in the tory party is the next step.

The turmoil in No10 is related. Both sides of the tory split think they are winning. The no dealers think we wont accept the deal and the realists know we have to. It suits both sides to delay delay delay. The head bangers revel in the chaos like pigs in shit. But the realists no that the closer to a no deal cliff edge you get the easier it is to sell it as a good outcome and the more relief will drown out the wailing from the head bangers and also the analysis of the terms as just like the WA it will be a shit deal. Across the next month a lot of tories are going to get let down.
 
The piece Newsnight did last night suggests that the Government is in meltdown re Brexit plans and there are serious issues particularly in relation to NI. That seems consistent with the present issues surrounding Johnson with his inner circle fighting amongst themselves. On top of the pandemic we could see 6 to 8 weeks of utter chaos in the New Year.... and there will be no shortage of muppets and conspiracy theorists to add to our misery....
 
meltonblue said:
You can’t. That would suggest you’re getting all of your info on the impacts so far solely from the experiences of people on this thread though?
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Literally no one to any degree outside of bluemoon politics ever mentions it, my wife’s a remainer and we don’t talk about it in any length. She thinks its daft I don’t but think this govt will make a cock of it. Mates hardly bother neither do work mates. We certainly never argue or try to change each other’s point of view.

It is what it is we all just get on with it. Even when it’s on the news we just sigh and wait for the next story.
 
hilts said:
That’s a fair point and I certainly wouldn’t revel in anyone who has suffered from a vote 4 years ago. Not seen a post or heard from anyone who has been affected to be honest.

Although I must say it should probably work both ways and I remember a somewhat heated debate where we discussed the implications on jobs for certain people and negative effects of being in the EU. In the end the handful of repetitive remainers on here were of the opinion that it was just tough shit they should get another job. Which was nice:-)
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I think you need to provide some evidence for that calumny. I guess you mean things like Ford closing the Southampton factory - obviously a blow to the workers there - but Brexit has taken us from the best year for the UK automotive industry for decades and with plans for expansion to the present mess and threats to several plants.

But hey, will of the people, and very few regrets from its proponents even as it dissolves to chaos.
 
hilts said:
Literally no one to any degree outside of bluemoon politics ever mentions it, my wife’s a remainer and we don’t talk about it in any length. She thinks its daft I don’t but think this govt will make a cock of it. Mates hardly bother neither do work mates. We certainly never argue or try to change each other’s point of view.

It is what it is we all just get on with it. Even when it’s on the news we just sigh and wait for the next story.
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Which is fair enough, like I said I imagine that’s the same as most people that post on this thread.
 
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