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blueinsa said:
I've no issue in anyone saying they can't trust him mate but a post saying it begins and then using a woman with her politics to claim brexit is to blame for her wanting a United Ireland is frankly ridiculous.
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The clue is in the Newspaper headline.

www.theguardian.com

Brexit: Ireland needs to press for reunification vote, says Sinn Féin

Party leader Mary Lou McDonald says Boris Johnson’s attitude to EU withdrawal agreement means her country cannot trust him
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
blueinsa said:
I've no issue in anyone saying they can't trust him mate but a post saying it begins and then using a woman with her politics to claim brexit is to blame for her wanting a United Ireland is frankly ridiculous.
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If that was true it would be ridiculous. It's your post that's ridiculous.

Where does she claim Brexit is to blame for her wanting a united Ireland?

But Brexit is to blame for making a united Ireland more likely. Perhaps the only good thing Brexit will do.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We’re going to fold like a cheap suitcase. All so tediously predictable, of course. Fucking set of losers we have running this country. Couldn’t negotiate, if their fucking lives depended on it. Useless cunts.

To think, we once ruled the waves.
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Sad but true.

The fact that sticking to our guns would ruin the country makes it practically inevitable, and even the buffoons in charge know it.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We’re going to fold like a cheap suitcase. All so tediously predictable, of course. Fucking set of losers we have running this country. Couldn’t negotiate, if their fucking lives depended on it. Useless cunts.

To think, we once ruled the waves.
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All we really did was threaten to waive the rules......
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We’re going to fold like a cheap suitcase. All so tediously predictable, of course. Fucking set of losers we have running this country. Couldn’t negotiate, if their fucking lives depended on it. Useless cunts.

To think, we once ruled the waves.
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We just need to hold our nerve. Invoke the spirit of Churchill more than we have been. Stare more intensely in negotiations. Draw the line we will not cross with a red pen instead of black. Always enter the room with 'Rule Britannia' playing over the Tannoy. British negotiating 101.
 
adrianr said:
We just need to hold our nerve. Invoke the spirit of Churchill more than we have been. Stare more intensely in negotiations. Draw the line we will not cross with a red pen instead of black. Always enter the room with 'Rule Britannia' playing over the Tannoy. British negotiating 101.
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I think that attitude plays well to a certain narrow domestic demographic, but suspect it's not the way any adults involved in the brexit negotiations will be conducting business. We're either going to some sort of compromise (deal) or leave on WTO (no deal). If we get a deal it'll be decried as folding, backing down etc; no deal will be portrayed also as a stupid failure of some sort. Underneath this all is the fact that some people still just can't accept the 2016 decision and make it their mission to see the very worst in every possible outcome. I can understand this and even empathise to an extent, but as a position it is every bit as silly as the 'sunny uplands' lot.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think that attitude plays well to a certain narrow domestic demographic, but suspect it's not the way any adults involved in the brexit negotiations will be conducting business. We're either going to some sort of compromise (deal) or leave on WTO (no deal). If we get a deal it'll be decried as folding, backing down etc; no deal will be portrayed also as a stupid failure of some sort. Underneath this all is the fact that some people still just can't accept the 2016 decision and make it their mission to see the very worst in every possible outcome. I can understand this and even empathise to an extent, but as a position it is every bit as silly as the 'sunny uplands' lot.
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You hit the nail on the head when you say a deal will be described as folding. We seem to have lost the idea of what it is to govern by compromise. Everything is a win or a loss. It is of course just another unfortunate side effect of an ever more polarised political system. We need to get back to a time when being able to compromise was viewed as a strength rather than a weakness.
 
adrianr said:
You hit the nail on the head when you say a deal will be described as folding. We seem to have lost the idea of what it is to govern by compromise. Everything is a win or a loss. It is of course just another unfortunate side effect of an ever more polarised political system. We need to get back to a time when being able to compromise was viewed as a strength rather than a weakness.
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It's a weird thing that seems to have happened to western humanity in the last decade or two - you can see the same with most political debate and the polarisation you describe just keeps people hating and spitting insults to make sure they don't actually talk. I'm assuming a lot is to do with the rise of the internet / social media. This thread on here is a good example - if it were a discussion in a pub we'd long ago have just called each other twats, agreed to disagree and probably changed the subject to FFS Mahrez, the LB issue or the tits of a passer by.
 
Blue Hefner said:
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It‘s got to the point where it is so moronic that I am no longer arsed. We either accept the deal already on offer, which we don’t like, or we talk ourselves into ‘no deal’ and end up trying to reassure ourselves with dumb shite about cheese. Either way we are going to end up bitching about the EU.

Frost has been tweeting tough talk while Cummings et al are being shown the door, neither of which are going to convince the EU that we are serious and steadfast. The reason why we may end up with no deal is because we are so weak and divided no fucker makes a decision. Johnson by all accounts is barely able to concentrate on a problem for more than five minutes and Cummings, Farage et al are going to be all over the press kicking lumps out of a Govt with a weak PM and a Tory party in simmering revolt over lockdown/Covid policy.

We are not even close to being ready for 1st Jan, deal or no deal, everyone knows it except the people nominally in charge.
 
adrianr said:
You hit the nail on the head when you say a deal will be described as folding. We seem to have lost the idea of what it is to govern by compromise. Everything is a win or a loss. It is of course just another unfortunate side effect of an ever more polarised political system. We need to get back to a time when being able to compromise was viewed as a strength rather than a weakness.
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The reason it will be described as folding is that we will not have achieved any of the key promises made by the leave campaign other than the simple fact we have left (which has already been achieved) and the EU won’t have conceded anything significant.
No extra money to the NHS. No FTZ from Russia to Iceland. No change to the ease of conducting trade across borders. No trade deals better than the ones we already had. Less red tape. In other words no cake and eat it, just a load of extra expense and nothing to show for it. It’s what we voted for though.
 
adrianr said:
We just need to hold our nerve. Invoke the spirit of Churchill more than we have been. Stare more intensely in negotiations. Draw the line we will not cross with a red pen instead of black. Always enter the room with 'Rule Britannia' playing over the Tannoy. British negotiating 101.
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Are you Alf Garnett?
 
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