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This didn't even merit a mention in Sunak's statement. They knew how bad the Covid impact was and know full well what damage Brexit will do - Brexit was kicked down the road to deal with in the New Year when the worst drop in 300 years becomes the worst drop....ever
 
bluethrunthru said:
This didn't even merit a mention in Sunak's statement. They knew how bad the Covid impact was and know full well what damage Brexit will do - Brexit was kicked down the road to deal with in the New Year when the worst drop in 300 years becomes the worst drop....ever
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It‘s called political cowardice. The biggest change to our trading relationship with our biggest trading partners will take place in 6 weeks, deal or no deal, and it doesn’t merit a mention?

Also, remember how we were never going to blame the EU anymore?

‘Blame EU ‘rules is rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says’

www.independent.co.uk

Blame EU ‘rules are rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says

Cabinet Office minister attacks refusal to adopt a ‘laissez-faire approach’ to border controls
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
BobKowalski said:
It‘s called political cowardice. The biggest change to our trading relationship with our biggest trading partners will take place in 6 weeks, deal or no deal, and it doesn’t merit a mention?

Also, remember how we were never going to blame the EU anymore?

‘Blame EU ‘rules is rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says’

www.independent.co.uk

Blame EU ‘rules are rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says

Cabinet Office minister attacks refusal to adopt a ‘laissez-faire approach’ to border controls
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Blame the EU? Thought it was our choice that we will leaving them? So us leaving is their fault? Strange logic there.
 
BobKowalski said:
It‘s called political cowardice. The biggest change to our trading relationship with our biggest trading partners will take place in 6 weeks, deal or no deal, and it doesn’t merit a mention?

Also, remember how we were never going to blame the EU anymore?

‘Blame EU ‘rules is rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says’

www.independent.co.uk

Blame EU ‘rules are rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says

Cabinet Office minister attacks refusal to adopt a ‘laissez-faire approach’ to border controls
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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These will be the same rules that this country played a major role in writing.

Gove and the rest of the Brexit chancers have no honour and no integrity whatsoever.
 
BobKowalski said:
It‘s called political cowardice. The biggest change to our trading relationship with our biggest trading partners will take place in 6 weeks, deal or no deal, and it doesn’t merit a mention?

Also, remember how we were never going to blame the EU anymore?

‘Blame EU ‘rules is rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says’

www.independent.co.uk

Blame EU ‘rules are rules’ approach if there is Brexit border chaos, Michael Gove says

Cabinet Office minister attacks refusal to adopt a ‘laissez-faire approach’ to border controls
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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One last hurrah ! indicates the likely focus of a Gove led govt
 
Something quietly ironic about the problem being other people wanting too much control over their borders.

"Control over our borders! None shall pass!"

"Boo! Just let them through!"

Just about anything is possible, when you are manipulated into reverting to a childish view of the world.

The more I hear post-Trump, the more the common political dialogue of our day has nothing whatsoever to-do with understanding the world and engineering good outcomes - and everything to do with being emotionally invested.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Northern France will be swimming in piss too, when the trucks from twenty odd countries experience the same thing in Calais.
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Doubt it.
We’ve said we’re waving everyone through at our side, once we’ve taken back control.
Although if it is I suppose it makes it all worthwhile for you.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Northern France will be swimming in piss too, when the trucks from twenty odd countries experience the same thing in Calais.
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They won't because the whole thing is a beurocratic EU construct. EU standards and our standards will be exactly the same on 01 Jan as they were on 31 Dec. We'll wave trucks through on our side because there is simply no need to do otherwise. If the French do anything different that's their thing - like setting fire to lorries full of sheep. It'll work as a short term political statement on behalf of the EU, but I'd imagine when EU hauliers want their lorries back it'll settle down or nothing will happen at all. It seems this Tuesday when the French trialled ther post brexit checks was actually the same as any other Tuesday ( lorry queues). The reason they ran it on a Tuesday was so people could point at the usual Tuesday tailback and scream 'because of brexit'.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
They won't because the whole thing is a beurocratic EU construct. EU standards and our standards will be exactly the same on 01 Jan as they were on 31 Dec. We'll wave trucks through on our side because there is simply no need to do otherwise. If the French do anything different that's their thing - like setting fire to lorries full of sheep. It'll work as a short term political statement on behalf of the EU, but I'd imagine when EU hauliers want their lorries back it'll settle down or nothing will happen at all. It seems this Tuesday when the French trialled ther post brexit checks was actually the same as any other Tuesday ( lorry queues). The reason they ran it on a Tuesday was so people could point at the usual Tuesday tailback and scream 'because of brexit'.
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Depending on the terms of the trade deal and infrastructure/ procedures away from the border it is against WTO rules to 'waive trucks through'.
Admittedly WTO doesn't have much legal clout but it might not be a good idea to set ourselves against an organisation that we may come to rely on and it wouldn't do our international reputation much good ( not that we give a shit about that).
 
Len Rum said:
Depending on the terms of the trade deal and infrastructure/ procedures away from the border it is against WTO rules to 'waive trucks through'.
Admittedly WTO doesn't have much legal clout but it might not be a good idea to set ourselves against an organisation that we may come to rely on and it wouldn't do our international reputation much good ( not that we give a shit about that).
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As you say, if it transpires that by waving trucks through we are giving tariff free access to our market to goods from countries that are not entitled to tariff free access, under WTO MFN rules we are opening ourselves up to having to give tariff free access to the whole world for those products. Not really a problem if we don't care about domestic production being undercut by cheaper countries, and at the moment that appears to be the case. We can always lower our standards, pay and working conditions to compete which I think is the Brexit end game.

On the other hand we can rely on the Brexiteer belief that it will sort itself out and we don't need to worry.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
They won't because the whole thing is a beurocratic EU construct. EU standards and our standards will be exactly the same on 01 Jan as they were on 31 Dec. We'll wave trucks through on our side because there is simply no need to do otherwise. If the French do anything different that's their thing - like setting fire to lorries full of sheep. It'll work as a short term political statement on behalf of the EU, but I'd imagine when EU hauliers want their lorries back it'll settle down or nothing will happen at all. It seems this Tuesday when the French trialled ther post brexit checks was actually the same as any other Tuesday ( lorry queues). The reason they ran it on a Tuesday was so people could point at the usual Tuesday tailback and scream 'because of brexit'.
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Have you got anything to back up this claim that every Tuesday has lorry queues?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
They won't because the whole thing is a beurocratic EU construct. EU standards and our standards will be exactly the same on 01 Jan as they were on 31 Dec. We'll wave trucks through on our side because there is simply no need to do otherwise. If the French do anything different that's their thing - like setting fire to lorries full of sheep. It'll work as a short term political statement on behalf of the EU, but I'd imagine when EU hauliers want their lorries back it'll settle down or nothing will happen at all. It seems this Tuesday when the French trialled ther post brexit checks was actually the same as any other Tuesday ( lorry queues). The reason they ran it on a Tuesday was so people could point at the usual Tuesday tailback and scream 'because of brexit'.
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It is irrelevant whether the standards are the same. Legally, after 1st Jan they will not be classed as the same and thus subject to checks and additional paperwork to satisfy the legal requirement under EU law.
 
west didsblue said:
As you say, if it transpires that by waving trucks through we are giving tariff free access to our market to goods from countries that are not entitled to tariff free access, under WTO MFN rules we are opening ourselves up to having to give tariff free access to the whole world for those products. Not really a problem if we don't care about domestic production being undercut by cheaper countries, and at the moment that appears to be the case. We can always lower our standards, pay and working conditions to compete which I think is the Brexit end game.

On the other hand we can rely on the Brexiteer belief that it will sort itself out and we don't need to worry.
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That's the nub of it.
Notwithstanding the lack of legal clout of the WTO,the Govt. can become liable for damages from companies/traders even individuals whose businesses are adversely affected by them (the Govt) not following the rules. The Govester has been quick to point out that any tariffs would have to be collected retrospectively ( good luck with that). And of course sub standard goods could easily enter the country. It would be a criminals paradise.
 
west didsblue said:
Doubt it.
We’ve said we’re waving everyone through at our side, once we’ve taken back control.
Although if it is I suppose it makes it all worthwhile for you.
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I agree actually, I doubt it too. But when some random europhile gleefully
posts dire predictions without any consideration of the retrospective action,
that could involve this country playing silly fuckers in return, it's worth a mention,
if only for shits and giggles.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I agree actually, I doubt it too. But when some random europhile gleefully
posts dire predictions without any consideration of the retrospective action,
that could involve this country playing silly fuckers in return, it's worth a mention,
if only for shits and giggles.
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They are not playing ‘silly fuckers’. They are applying trading rules set out under law. Currently we trade under the same laws allowing trade to be free flowing. After 1st Jan we will not be operating under the same laws which means checks and paperwork to comply with the separate laws and regulations GB and EU countries will operate under.
 
Len Rum said:
That's the nub of it.
Notwithstanding the lack of legal clout of the WTO,the Govt. can become liable for damages from companies/traders even individuals whose businesses are adversely affected by them (the Govt) not following the rules. The Govester has been quick to point out that any tariffs would have to be collected retrospectively ( good luck with that). And of course sub standard goods could easily enter the country. It would be a criminals paradise.
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it already is a criminals paradise ..... mostly within the Conservative Party.
 
BobKowalski said:
They are not playing ‘silly fuckers’. They are applying trading rules set out under law. Currently we trade under the same laws allowing trade to be free flowing. After 1st Jan we will not be operating under the same laws which means checks and paperwork to comply with the separate laws and regulations GB and EU countries will operate under.
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Of course they are, I suppose that they will have no problem with the same mayhem when it's reciprocated.
 
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