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Ancient Citizen said:
I agree actually, I doubt it too. But when some random europhile gleefully
posts dire predictions without any consideration of the retrospective action,
that could involve this country playing silly fuckers in return, it's worth a mention,
if only for shits and giggles.
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Won't be much of a giggle for us when 45% of our exports take longer and cost more to ship abroad, and then we retaliate and do the same to an average of 5% of exports for each of the EU27. They won't find it that funny either but they will console themselves that on average 95% of their external trade is unaffected.
 
west didsblue said:
Won't be much of a giggle when 45% of our exports take longer and cost more to ship abroad, and then we retaliate and do the same to an average of 5% of exports for each of the EU27.
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Dutch dairy products, all sour and rotten after days in queues, German machinery, tools, cars, chemicals slowly going out of date, Spanish fruit, Italian cheese and cars, IKEA shutting, etc; etc;
We can make this as difficult as possible for both parties, I think that's what all
the talking with Barnier and Co. must be about, who can do the most damage.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Dutch dairy products, all sour and rotten after days in queues, German machinery, tools, cars, chemicals slowly going out of date, Spanish fruit, Italian cheese and cars, IKEA shutting, etc; etc;
We can make this as difficult as possible for both parties, I think that's what all
the talking with Barnier and Co. must be about, who can do the most damage.
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they'd have try really hard to beat the damage we've done to ourselves....
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Of course they are, I suppose that they will have no problem with the same mayhem when it's reciprocated.
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No, they were trialing the new systems they put in place a year ago, systems that will go live on the 1st Jan. What we have to do is build the infrastructure and also put in new systems to cope with the additional checks, administration, and regulations that will apply from 1st Jan to ensure there is no chaos.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Dutch dairy products, all sour and rotten after days in queues, German machinery, tools, cars, chemicals slowly going out of date, Spanish fruit, Italian cheese and cars, IKEA shutting, etc; etc;
We can make this as difficult as possible for both parties, I think that's what all
the talking with Barnier and Co. must be about, who can do the most damage.
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I think it's fairly obvious who can do the most damage if that's the route we want to go.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I've not noticed any, but I do love the estimable clairvoyants on here who fortell the future so will check back.
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You and MCFC1632 and the rest have been foretelling the future for four years .... Eu Army, Closer integration, being forced to adopt the Euro... the collapse of the European Union etc etc


Obviously you and others are 'estimable clairvoyants' ..... all of this to retain fish we don't eat. (oh and exclude forriners)
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I've not noticed any, but I do love the estimable clairvoyants on here who fortell the future so will check back.
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The lack of freedom of movement ... the denial of the right to reside in the Eu for more than 90 days in any 180 day period (and thats ... the requirement to apply for permission (visas) to travel through countries ....
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
You and MCFC1632 and the rest have been foretelling the future for four years .... Eu Army, Closer integration, being forced to adopt the Euro... the collapse of the European Union etc etc


Obviously you and others are 'estimable clairvoyants' ..... all of this to retain fish we don't eat. (oh and exclude forriners)
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You demonstrate a few fundamental misunderstandings here.First the EU Army thing is a misnomer -May signed Britain into involvement with the European Defence Agency, the European Defence Fund, the European Defence Industrial Development Programme and PESCO. The EU describes all these together as the start of its military 'integration' leading to the creation of 'a Common Defence' in five years.
The closer integration thing is more a natural consequence of what was created by the totalitarian tip-toe from trading agreement to a political union. EU leaders make no secret of their ambitions in this respect, and in some ways federalism is just the natural progression without a fundamental change in direction.
I'm not sure we would ever be 'forced' to adopt the Euro unless we had both a PM and chancellor who were hell-bent on doing so - the chancellor saved us last time a PM tried it.
The collapse of the EU is probably an undesirable and by no means certain consequence of their economic model being flawed. Basically the disparity between the South Med and central EU economies, and growing annual bill of the net contributors. Sprinkle in a little bit of far right angst about foreigners (I think that's how you spell it) and there may be significant challenges ahead. I hope they don't split up the EU, as just like the US administration seem to think the EU is probably worth the effort to avoid mass slaughter of our youth once or twice every century.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
You demonstrate a few fundamental misunderstandings here.First the EU Army thing is a misnomer -May signed Britain into involvement with the European Defence Agency, the European Defence Fund, the European Defence Industrial Development Programme and PESCO. The EU describes all these together as the start of its military 'integration' leading to the creation of 'a Common Defence' in five years.
The closer integration thing is more a natural consequence of what was created by the totalitarian tip-toe from trading agreement to a political union. EU leaders make no secret of their ambitions in this respect, and in some ways federalism is just the natural progression without a fundamental change in direction.
I'm not sure we would ever be 'forced' to adopt the Euro unless we had both a PM and chancellor who were hell-bent on doing so - the chancellor saved us last time a PM tried it.
The collapse of the EU is probably an undesirable and by no means certain consequence of their economic model being flawed. Basically the disparity between the South Med and central EU economies, and growing annual bill of the net contributors. Sprinkle in a little bit of far right angst about foreigners (I think that's how you spell it) and there may be significant challenges ahead. I hope they don't split up the EU, as just like the US administration seem to think the EU is probably worth the effort to avoid mass slaughter of our youth once or twice every century.
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im just quoting the ''worries'' about what might happen according to some.
 
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