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Kazzydeyna said:
I met the great man twice. Once at a labour party conference at the winter Gardens and once on a trip to the commons.

He was great for lots of reasons, just one of which in my mind being his vociferous opposition to the EU at the same time Mrs Thatcher and many on the right of the Conservative party were actively campaigning to keep Britain In.

Did you ever meet Maggie? She sounds like just your sort of person.
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And again - really well said

Some of the main Remainers on here have, in reality, some strange bedfellows
 
Vic said:
Two-thirds of Labour voters voted Remain. We lost our constituency to the Tories because the LibDems took enough of the Remain vote to cost Labour its majority. And that was true of most Labour seats, just not the "red wall" - where most Labour voters still vote Remain.

Where do you think the 48% Remain vote came from? It wasn't bloody Tories.
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Rubbish.

You lost the red wall because they voted for brexit, you called them thick, you called them racists, you pandered to the metropolitan elite of London and you then patted them on the head and said fear not, we will give you your brexit but still campaign to remain.

It was at that point nothing could save Labour from a bloodbath of a result at the GE.

Stop trying to be smart and overthinking it Vic.
 
mcfc1632 said:
And again - really well said

Some of the main Remainers on here have, in reality, some strange bedfellows
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Don't you start wumming too. Unless you think when I said that Thatcher described the Social Chapter as a socialist enterprise that was a sodding endorsement of the witch.
 
Ric said:
Alright Nostradamus. Think most people have been saying that both sides will inevitably make concessions as the deadline looms.
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Nope - that is not actually the case

Some - mainly Leavers - have been saying that - and some Remainers have been saying that, but.....

Some of the main Remainers on here have been saying for years that the EU hold all the cards and the UK will simply have to suck it up

Even in recent days we have some of the main Remainers stating that the UK will simply have to suck it up

Shall I post some examples?

Inconvenient truth that may be - but the truth it is
 
blueinsa said:
Rubbish.

You lost the red wall because they voted for brexit, you called them thick, you called them racists, you pandered to the metropolitan elite of London and you then patted them on the head and said fear not, we will give you your brexit but still campaign to remain.

It was at that point nothing could save Labour from a bloodbath of a result at the GE.

Stop trying to be smart and overthinking it Vic.
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We lost some of the Leave voters in those constituencies because of Brexit (and as many because of Corbyn). In none (I've not checked) did we lose as many votes as we'd have lost elsewhere without the second referendum policy.

I'll add psephology to the stuff you know nowt about. (And you'll now say it's that sort of attitude that loses elections. We have two rules, though - when you're canvassing never tell anyone they're wrong, and don't waste time trying to talk sense into idiots.)
 
mcfc1632 said:
Nope - that is not actually the case

Some - mainly Leavers - have been saying that - and some Remainers have been saying that, but.....

Some of the main Remainers on here have been saying for years that the EU hold all the cards and the UK will simply have to suck it up

Even in recent days we have some of the main Remainers stating that the UK will simply have to suck it up

Shall I post some examples?

Inconvenient truth that may be - but the truth it is
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Post some examples. Without twisting words of course.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Just read this:

Brexit: France hints at compromise with UK over divergence from EU standards​

Brexit: France hints at compromise with UK over divergence from EU standards (msn.com)

Makes me wonder what could be the cause of all these recent reports of movement/concessions/compromises from the EU?

Anyone got any suggestions?
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How about when a hard deadline is set, most negotiations seem to come to a conclusion just before that deadline and the most movement from each side is concentrated in the last stages of that negotiation. Happens across the world in the public and private sector every day. Normally some kind of ‘threat’ is also associated to that deadline. There is very little new in how this negotiation Has played out so far.
 
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Vic said:
We lost some of the Leave voters in those constituencies because of Brexit (and as many because of Corbyn). In none (I've not checked) did we lose as many votes as we'd have lost elsewhere without the second referendum policy.

I'll add psephology to the stuff you know nowt about. (And you'll now say it's that sort of attitude that loses elections. We have two rules, though - when you're canvassing never tell anyone they're wrong, and don't waste time trying to talk sense into idiots.)
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You carry on thinking I know nothing.

I will let the result speak for itself, it's literally no skin off my nose.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
You very clearly know next to nothing about Tony Benn, that's obvious as the suggestion that Tony would have been in favour of the Thatcher designed modern day EU is laughable. That's not a problem, patriotic left wing politicians aren't everyone's cup of tea.
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Tony was a democrat for a start, the EU does not meet his 5 tests
Kazzydeyna said:
Michael Foot was also anti-eu. as was Peter Shore and indeed a plethora of British socialists.
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I do love Michael Foot.
Kazzydeyna said:
As they are now. It is impossible to be a socialist AND a remainer.
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I admit I came to this conclusion after a while, it is as you say impossible. It is also why I came to the conclusion that when we leave no deal is the best deal. I also acknowledge there is an element of risk attached to this because a Tory government is in power and i would have much preferred a Labour party to be in power when we left,
Kazzydeyna said:
Its the liberals that are pro EU, and as anyone with any modicum of intelligence already knows liberals and socialists are very very different political animals.
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This confuses people, the Liberal left are not Socialists and as you quite rightly point they are totally different animals. Hence the huge divide in the Labour party at the moment.
 
Rascal said:
Tony was a democrat for a start, the EU does not meet his 5 tests
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How does the UK meet Benn's five tests? *

How did Dominic Cummings meet Benn's 5 tests? (Questions not tests.)

* In the case of the UK, the answer to the last of his questions, "How can we get rid of you?", seems to be "Vote for Brexit".
 
‘BREAKING: the UK will be in a position to drop the offending clauses in the Internal Market + Finance Bills provided there's a "long term legal solution" to the outstanding issues around the NI Protocol, and that are "satisfactory to both sides" @rtenews
 
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‘BREAKING: the UK will be in a position to drop the offending clauses in the Internal Market + Finance Bills provided there's a "long term legal solution" to the outstanding issues around the NI Protocol, and that are "satisfactory to both sides" @rtenews
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Christ I post about the lack of leaks and boom....
 
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