Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Good point, and one I could get behind. There's a slight problem though, of the sticking points we know of LPF, and Fishing, there's also the position of the EU, who want any future disputes post agreement to be mediated by the ECJ.
Which is akin to us playing the Rags on Saturday, and having a referee with a
Rags badge on his shirt who's been a season ticket holder at Old Rope for 30 years.

Incorrect. The EU will accept an independent adjudication forum for disputes.

 

[BobKowalski]

Good point, and neither do I, but when we're the only country in the world to
be asked to cede territory and abide by foreign rules in order to trade, then
I can sort of understand it.

We’re not. Any company in a country trading with the EU has to accept EU rules and standards for their goods to be compliant. Any company in a country trading with the UK has to accept our rules and standards for their goods to be compliant.

Part of the purpose of customs and checks is to ensure that goods coming in are what they are billed as and to ensure they are compliant. Being in the Single Market dispenses with this as legally all goods are assumed to be compliant so they can cross borders without hindrance. Hence common rule book and regulatory harmonisation throughout the bloc.

 

[Vic]

We’re not. Any company in a country trading with the EU has to accept EU rules and standards for their goods to be compliant. Any company in a country trading with the UK has to accept our rules and standards for their goods to be compliant.

Part of the purpose of customs and checks is to ensure that goods coming in are what they are billed as and to ensure they are compliant. Being in the Single Market dispenses with this as legally all goods are assumed to be compliant so they can cross borders without hindrance. Hence common rule book and regulatory harmonisation throughout the bloc.

That seems a clever way to save paperwork. How do we join?

 

[BobKowalski]

Road Haulage Association doing sterling work...rather enjoyed the phrase ’Govt hopes for temporary connectivity’.

Hopes :)

 

[BobKowalski]

Good point, and neither do I, but when we're the only country in the world to
be asked to cede territory and abide by foreign rules in order to trade, then
I can sort of understand it.

And we already ceded territory, I mean literally ceded territory, with NI in the Withdrawal Agreement, which was lauded as a UK triumph at the time it was struck, so, I can’t see why you are ‘suddenly’ bothered now.

 

[BobKowalski]

That seems a clever way to save paperwork. How do we join?

Fairly simple. Sign up to the common rule book, pay your subs and you can reduce your customs costs dramatically. Goods and food will be cheaper and as a bonus for joining you no longer have to administer a separate regulatory framework for chemicals, medicines etc.

Less red tape, no costly in house admin and you will get a free blue tooth speaker decorated in marine blue with yellow stars.

Sign up now. Offer lasts until 31st December, 2020.

 

[west didsblue]

Good point, and neither do I, but when we're the only country in the world to
be asked to cede territory and abide by foreign rules in order to trade, then
I can sort of understand it.

We're probably one of the few countries in the world that have so many people that incorrectly think that.

 

[BobKowalski]

I rather enjoyed this take on Brexit...I can relate to effectively disliking everyone on both sides of the debate :)

Brexit: was it worth it? - UnHerd

Once a fervent Eurosceptic, I came to believe that leaving was a terrible blunder

unherd.com

 

[BobKowalski]

EU publishing its contingency measures for no deal

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

EU publishing its contingency measures for no deal

Looking at that it looks like we have a better chance of making a no deal work on the basis of a few reciprocal arrangements that trying to get a deal sorted.

 

[jaseirai]

Very Trumpian. If you've got no evidence, I'm throwing your case out.

Put up or shut up.

Next you'll be wanting David Gill to ref the match on Saturday

 

[BobKowalski]

Looking at that it looks like we have a better chance of making a no deal work on the basis of a few reciprocal arrangements that trying to get a deal sorted.

No customs simplifications, tariffs on goods and food, and is contingent on UK agreeing LPF and State Aid, all of it ‘temporary’ and predicated on the premise ‘play nice or else.’ and that’s just scratching the surface.

So yeah, operating on a temporary licence with the EU which includes provisions we are happy to sink a deal over.

 

[Rascal]

I rather enjoyed this take on Brexit...I can relate to effectively disliking everyone on both sides of the debate :)

Brexit: was it worth it? - UnHerd

Once a fervent Eurosceptic, I came to believe that leaving was a terrible blunder

unherd.com

It is a good article, one of the better ones i have read on the subject.

 

[Saddleworth2]

So now the pendul

Looking at that it looks like we have a better chance of making a no deal work on the basis of a few reciprocal arrangements that trying to get a deal sorted.

No.We will now reject the no deal reciprocal arrangements. After all, some may impinge on our sovereignty.
We wont even be able to agree the terms of a no deal.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Just wondering what the fervent leavers think of the ECMT permit scenario ?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

EU publishing its contingency measures for no deal

Another extension then practically?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Looking at that it looks like we have a better chance of making a no deal work on the basis of a few reciprocal arrangements that trying to get a deal sorted.

So if there is a no deal, they still want access to our sovereign waters to fish? !
Alternatively in a the advent of a no deal things will continue as they were, with road a rail access unrestricted as long as they can fish ? Might as well allow them to fish in our waters for a few years with a tapering off of rights over the next few years as firstly we don't have the fleets to fish the waters at the moment and secondly we can use this as a bargaining tool for the other things we want. Agreements and decisions made at the 11th hour are not unexpected. Any hard negotiations always go down to the wire.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Looking at that it looks like we have a better chance of making a no deal work on the basis of a few reciprocal arrangements that trying to get a deal sorted.

You could even call it a deal wrapped up in a no deal label?

 

[Saddleworth2]

I rather enjoyed this take on Brexit...I can relate to effectively disliking everyone on both sides of the debate :)

Brexit: was it worth it? - UnHerd

Once a fervent Eurosceptic, I came to believe that leaving was a terrible blunder

unherd.com

Yes. Disliking everyone has a certain freedom to it.
I liked this line:
Ultimately, if Brexit turns out to be a mistake, it’s the fault of Brexiteers alone. After all, taking control means taking responsibility, too.

 

[Saddleworth2]

So if there is a no deal, they still want access to our sovereign waters to fish? !
Alternatively in a the advent of a no deal things will continue as they were, with road a rail access unrestricted as long as they can fish ? Might as well allow them to fish in our waters for a few years with a tapering off of rights over the next few years as firstly we don't have the fleets to fish the waters at the moment and secondly we can use this as a bargaining tool for the other things we want. Agreements and decisions made at the 11th hour are not unexpected. Any hard negotiations always go down to the wire.

Not sure that is exactly what they are proposing mate although I do like your optimism.