I think "the late unpleasantness" was a euphemism for the American civil war. You start a damaging and unnecessary war, you will get unpleasantness.
And there is nothing to enjoy.
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And there is nothing to enjoy.
Don't do that
There are 3 sticking points - the EU are still seeking a wholly inappropriate role for the ECJ in governance
Bless - I did say it previously to other people - just not to those I do not feel inclined to engage with
In fact, nearly a month ago I have said to others, amongst other comments:
".....on this occasion the point is exactly that I was pointing out to Vic that his ability to describe the current position of the fishing industry, in the manner that he does, only and amply demonstrates that he has no ability to understand fishing in the context of these negotiations......
"......Vic was saying that there is not benefit to the UK having the position deferred for 3 - 5 years - the truth is that it gives the UK (at least) two opportunities to squeeze concessions from the EU. They have done so in 2020 and then they can do so again when the term comes up for renewal. You may understand that - Vic does not - which was the point....."
Which was pretty much what was being stated in the post that I replied to - no hindsight required really - for anyone not blinkered it was pretty obvious
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Ifwecouldjust.......
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They wont be landed on UK mainland because most likely Tariffs or Duchy Tariffs will apply. However strangely they wont apply if they are landed in a port in Northern Ireland.
Most likely taken directly to Holland.
By the way you forgot to mention that 50% of the Fleetwood trawler is Spanish owned.
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ganganvince
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Just a reminder of the question that the majority of people who voted chose option 2 no mention of deal or no deal.
The vast majority had no idea what they were voting for, yet they still voted for it anyway. I think that says a lot tbh.
squirtyflower
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Yep, shouldn’t have let the thick racist fuckers have a vote.
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I don't believe you ever said anything to anyone about the benefits of any delay after 1st January of taking control of our waters, until Saint Frost conceded it. Apology waiting if you did.
Yep. Though tbh i've always felt that 99.9999% of us were just not qualified or educated enough to vote on an issue as complicated as this at all. I think Cameron's government were genuinely criminal putting this to the public. I consider myself an intelligent person, but of course I'm not an expert on the wide reaching economic and geopolitical effects that leaving the EU would have. Hardly any of us are! Especially back then! Anyone says otherwise is either genuinely in the 0.0001% (if it's even that) or just a fucking liar.
Of course it was too complicated an issue to be sold to the public intelligently, so it was just boiled down to 'do u want money to go to foriners or to british hospitals', a big fat lie of course, and dressed up in not-even-subtle racist undertones. For better or for worse, these sort of decisions should always be left to the elected government, or at least those with actual understanding of potential effects. It's like us voting on the next step a surgeon should take ffs. Still angry thinking about it.
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ganganvince
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Which is democracy. I would have rather stayed in but have to accept the result.
Saddleworth2
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bloody hell mate, what are you doing on this thread then? it’s only us experts allowed. ;-)
Saddleworth2
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I agree mate. Spot on.
But we don't have to accept it. I'm not accepting something that was sold on absolutely outrageous lies and will absolutely have nothing but negative effects on all of our lives.
Nor does it say when, nor that it was advisory, nor that we couldn't have another referendum to change mind, nor that it would be a shitshow.
I'm not enjoying this debate. It's unpleasant.
blueparrot
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Accept the result, possibly, accept this total fucking shambles, no we don't.
Yep. How dead behind the eyes do you have to be to just roll over and go 'okay I will accept this with a shrug of the shoulders and crack on while freedoms are stripped away from me and the country is thrown into ruin by lying cheats'.
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Fully agree. Democracy is the process by which you change direction politically - not one where you stick fast to a shit decision made years ago. Brexit has been tried and failed.
blueparrot
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Trouble is they are in power for 4 more years I really don't know what can be done. I am fortunate that in Scotland we get a chance in May next year to vote and say whats happening is totally unacceptable. Where that takes us remains to be seen, but hopefully we'll take the opportuninty to send a message.
Not sure any of the main leavers on this thread give a flying fuck of the consequences that lie ahead.
They got their Brexit and that’s that.
They will defend it until their dying breath regardless of whatever evidence is there to show it’s not going to be the utopia they thought it would be.
Everyone just needs to crack on and make the best of it.
M18CTID
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So what are you suggesting you or others do about it? Stage a fucking coup? The simple fact is that unless there was a General Election coming up and a chance to vote someone else in, there's absolutely nothing you can do and it's now in the hands of the politicians so I'm not sure what your point is when you say you can't accept it, because as much as you don't want to accept it, spouting off about it on here won't influence what happens over the next few weeks anyway.
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