Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

General consensus on LPF is that UK agrees there will be a cost for Single Market access if we diverge too far from EU norms on labour, environment etc. The objection now is the extent of the cost.

The odd thing is all this applies to goods only, Services with which we have a surplus with Europe, are barely getting a look in with the deal on offer, so we are already at a disadvantage economically before we even get to any actual divergence.

 

[dave_blue12]

EU facts behind the claims: UK influence – Full Fact

In partnership with experts at the UK in a Changing Europe project, we've taken a look at the facts behind the claims on the UK's influence in the EU.

fullfact.org

Go nuts, but do be sure to read the WHOLE thing before responding, so as to understand the context of the point being made. ( I can already tell which paragraphs you'll quote and which you'll ignore, you see. You need to read the whole article)

Thanks.

I’ll read it later when I have more time

 

[Metal Biker]

Thanks.

I’ll read it later when I have more time

It takes two minutes. You ask for "proof of my assertion", then you don't bother to even read it?

Yeah I won't bother with your 'requests' in future, you're clearly just a bullshitter.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Talks to continue which is good news for all. Nobody wants to face uncertainty and end up with tossers buying up bog roll and pasta.

 

[hilts]

Somalians employ EU workers?

?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Magic money tree ??

Its funny coz surely they would only need to do this if Brexit was going to be a fucking disaster and not the cheap trainer bonanza they promised?
Also - it may be pissing on their chips - but I think I read somewhere WTO rules won't allow this?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

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Ah but they are now under editorial control of an arch remainer eh @Ancient Citizen ?

Yes, they are, the headlines you're see are their take on the current situation, so even he must be getting a little pissed off.

Remainer Geordie Greig named new editor of the Daily Mail

There has been speculation that Geordie Greig's appointment could signal a new direction for the staunchly Brexit-supporting newspaper. As a Remainer, Mr Greig influenced the Mail on Sunday's pro-EU stance during the referendum on Britain leaving the bloc.

inews.co.uk

Daily Mail – can the new editor keep Brexiters and remainers happy? | Jane Martinson

Paul Dacre’s successor is forced to walk a tightrope over the paper’s stance on Brexit

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cheesy]

I think I'd do Ursula von der Leyen.

 

[hilts]

No, what’s bollocks Rasc, is the LW approach of just allowing anyone to enter the country via any means and getting upset when the government does its job of actually patrolling the border.

Every man and his dog knows these people are doing it for economic reasons.

So yeah, let’s just fuck the border then, anyone can come in.

And you wonder why your politics gets rejected by the working class?

More people means more public spending needed which doesn’t happen, so Labour in opposition go on about social justice. In power they would need to create more public sector jobs which they love.

The Tories pretend to try and get a grip on it but they love it too. Good for business and gdp in headline figures. Very fond of an employers market the Tories.

Both parties love lots of immigration which is ironic as if they had just addressed it a bit we wouldn’t be having Brexit.

 

[west didsblue]

Lol

The same people pushing this unfunny joke are the same people who vent their anger and abuse towards the unelected Dominic Cummings. So funny to watch.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

its

 

[bluethrunthru]

More people means more public spending needed which doesn’t happen, so Labour in opposition go on about social justice. In power they would need to create more public sector jobs which they love.

The Tories pretend to try and get a grip on it but they love it too. Good for business and gdp in headline figures. Very fond of an employers market the Tories.

Both parties love lots of immigration which is ironic as if they had just addressed it a bit we wouldn’t be having Brexit.

except we are constantly told by Brexiteers that Brexit was nothing to do with immigration.

 

[bluethrunthru]

On a slight side note, that Daily Mail headline today is a shocker, so deliberately disingenuous.

Its not actually a quote from a German but is in fact what somebody on the UK side made up and is quoted as a "source"

 

[Northernstorirs]

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OK Withington blue.

 

[west didsblue]

To absolutely no one‘s surprise...

We had a useful call with Johnson this morning. We agreed that talks will continue. @UVL

Ursula von der Leyen @Ursulavonderleyen

Statement following the phone call with UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson

www.pscp.tv

Really can’t understand this.

According to Johnson we will “prosper mightily” with an Australian style deal. This further extension in talks is making me slightly suspicious that this might not be a viable walk away option and perhaps we don’t have the political will to invoke that option even though we would have apparently prospered mightily.

Surely we’re not being lied to by our Prime Minister.

 

[Northernstorirs]

I think I'd do Ursula von der Leyen.

She is only 4 years younger than Merkel.

 

[BobKowalski]

Magic money tree ??

Yeah, but to be honest all these headlines about no deal costing billions, French and German bashing and excited hysteria in general, are more likely about giving everyone a glimpse of the yawning abyss of no deal before the Govt goes no thanks and starts engaging less on principle ‘muh sovereignty’ and on detail ’okay we diverge, what will it cost?’

Paradoxically, the greater the media hysteria and linking Germans to ‘broken glass’ (kristallnacht?) the greater the chance we will compromise. Thats my take on it anyway.

 

[west didsblue]

OK Withington blue.

Go on, I’ll bite. Why do you keep calling me Withington Blue?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

except we are constantly told by Brexiteers that Brexit was nothing to do with immigration.

I really don't think it is. The immigration that seems to be of most concern is from non-EU countries. Certainly no asylum seekers or illegal immigrants are EU citizens. Therefore brexit has no effect whatsoever upon how these people are treated under international law. I think some people want to make the brexit debate about immigration for reasons best known to themselves.

 

[BobKowalski]

Really can’t understand this.

According to Johnson we will “prosper mightily” with an Australian style deal. This further extension in talks is making me slightly suspicious that this might not be a viable walk away option and perhaps we don’t have the political will to invoke that option even though we would have apparently prospered mightily.

Surely we’re not being lied to by our Prime Minister.

I think you answered your own question :)

 

[journolud]

Go on, I’ll bite. Why do you keep calling me Withington Blue?

Are you talking to southernstirrer there?