Another new Brexit thread

[hilts]

Vagueness is the plan. We have no industrial or economic strategy. None.

Lorry parks and a fish based diet.

 

[Ban-jani]

As i said .... the Tories had an opportunity to do that in legislation .. but chose not to . So you really think they will honour this?

They won’t have a choice once they’ve agreed to it, thankfully, that’s literally my point.

 

[Vic]

Lorry parks and a fish based diet.

It will be herring.

I had a kipper yesterday - reduced in Sainsburys. Get used to them when British boats land British herring in British ports then use EU drivers to get them to Holland.

 

[journolud]

The reason that it was not seems quite obvious from the comments does it not? - and there seems to be common theme which I have pointed out by bolding.

That is has been left to the 11th hour is because the EU has not been willing to move their positions previously - and you know that this yet further evidence that "We will only see movement from the EU.........."

"The EU has dropped its insistence on a 'ratchet clause' which would have formalised the principle both sides should keep up with each other's standards. It's now ready to cater for divergence in the future so long as there are strong safeguards to rebalance unfair competition."

"This is a shift from the EU, which previously rejected managed divergence as too messy and risky for its economies. They worried it would create constant uncertainty for them. It thus represents a fair departure from the EU's opening position on LPF."

"There is a difference between having a commitment to match standards hard-wired into the deal, failure to comply with which would be a breach of the agreement, and a mechanism written into the text catering for a decision to diverge and accept rebalancing measures in return."

"What the sides are now trying to thrash out is how unfair competition would be defined, the process for triggering rebalancing measures, and how extensive they'd be. The EU originally wanted the Commission to have the unilateral right to apply them - hence 'lightning tariffs'."

"That demand angered the UK, and has now been diluted by Brussels which accepts there needs to be due process based on evidence. One EU proposal is for a 'distortion test' that could be triggered by either side. They're also open to setting up an independent arbitrage system."

The EU would have had the UK locked in regulatory chains for decades had May/Robbins incompetence still been what they were facing - take a bow Mr Frost.

Again, you’re struggling to understand basic sentences.

The EU are wanting a clause that states the UK aren’t only not allowed to regress rights, but also both parties have to keep up with each other’s so neither can undercut them with cheaper labour.

The government has said no up to now over sovereignty claims but the rumours are Johnson has bottled it and accepted it.

I am saying if these rumours are true, it’s a good thing because it stops the Tories getting away with not improving worker’s rights.

Is that clear now?

I hope it is, I really do.

Erm, maybe I’m being dumb but have both sides, allegedly, bottled it?

 

[Ban-jani]

Erm, maybe I’m being dumb but have both sides, allegedly, bottled it?

I honestly don’t know mate, I was just responding to the rumours of Johnson potentially bottling that specific clause.

I think both sides are desperate for a deal here, which is good if you’re a UK citizen.

 

[smudgedj]

I honestly don’t know mate, I was just responding to the rumours of Johnson potentially bottling that specific clause.

I think both sides are desperate for a deal here, which is good if you’re a UK citizen.

Not really if he bottles it and can’t sell it.

There's always a reaction.

That reaction will be the rise of a nationalist party, who will promise to rip it all up. On the basis that corrupt UK politicians do not represent the will of the British people.

 

[Vic]

Last week the UK side were reportedly saying that the EU were making new unacceptable demands. Have we negotiated them back to just the previously unacceptable demands?

 

[Vic]

Not really if he bottles it and can’t sell it.

There's always a reaction.

That reaction will be the rise of a nationalist party, who will promise to rip it all up. On the basis that corrupt UK politicians do not represent the will of the British people.

Too late. The Tory party is a nationalist party.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not really if he bottles it and can’t sell it.

There's always a reaction.

That reaction will be the rise of a nationalist party, who will promise to rip it all up. On the basis that corrupt UK politicians do not represent the will of the British people.

The environment thing isn’t really an issue, based on Tory plans.

Johnson actually wants the UK to go through a green revolution.

I also don’t think the clauses regarding regressing workers rights is an issue, I think he’d have accepted that.

For me, I think it’s the concept of the UK having to keep up with EU rights and how that conflicts with Tory views, specifically on the backbenchers, of how the country is going to be very competitive.

I mean, as a worker, I want them to accept it, I still think it gives us enough freedom and we don’t want be lagging behind the whole of Europe in rights for people, we should be first anyway.

A nationalist party can try all they want, nobody is breaking the two party system in England.

 

[blueish swede]

"The EU has dropped its insistence on a 'ratchet clause' which would have formalised the principle both sides should keep up with each other's standards. It's now ready to cater for divergence in the future so long as there are strong safeguards to rebalance unfair competition."

Being reported that the "Ratchet clause" has been accepted.

Erm, maybe I’m being dumb but have both sides, allegedly, bottled it?

Don't know. Possibly a compromise, but Swedish papers are reporting movement by the UK.

 

[blueparrot]

Not really if he bottles it and can’t sell it.

There's always a reaction.

That reaction will be the rise of a nationalist party, who will promise to rip it all up. On the basis that corrupt UK politicians do not represent the will of the British people.

Sell it to who? The vast majority of those that voted leave expected and wanted a deal of some sort, if he comes back with a deal, and we are no longer members there will be very few leavers that don’t think that’ll do me, whatever the deal is.
There’ll be a few that don’t like it, a few tory headbangers might leave the party and set up another, but there won’t be any great nationalist uprising thats just nonsense, there is no great will of the British people to tap into.

 

[Ban-jani]

Last week the UK side were reportedly saying that the EU were making new unacceptable demands. Have we negotiated them back to just the previously unacceptable demands?

EU: how about we both maintain similar workers rights?

UK: no, how about WE both maintain similar workers rights?

 

[west didsblue]

EU: how about we both maintain similar workers rights?

UK: no, how about WE both maintain similar workers rights?

I think that sums up what will happen eventually. We’ll go along with what the EU want but make out it was our idea.

 

[mcfc1632]

There will never be a final decision. There will always be negotiations. We will be forever managing our relationship with the EU. Brexit is a never ending process, not a destination.

Brexit and this thread will never die, it will adapt, mutate, but never stop. It is remorseless, cannot be reasoned with, it is a monster conceived by charlatans and birthed in lies.

What a load of hysterical nonsense that 2nd bit is

 

[BobKowalski]

Not really if he bottles it and can’t sell it.

There's always a reaction.

That reaction will be the rise of a nationalist party, who will promise to rip it all up. On the basis that corrupt UK politicians do not represent the will of the British people.

Or fascism as it is more commonly known...

 

[BobKowalski]

What a load of hysterical nonsense that 2nd bit is

I rather enjoyed its lyrical flow and cadence...

 

[BobKowalski]

EU: how about we both maintain similar workers rights?

UK: no, how about WE both maintain similar workers rights?

Works for me...

 

[Ban-jani]

There will never be a final decision. There will always be negotiations. We will be forever managing our relationship with the EU. Brexit is a never ending process, not a destination.

Brexit and this thread will never die, it will adapt, mutate, but never stop. It is remorseless, cannot be reasoned with, it is a monster conceived by charlatans and birthed in lies.

So ... are you in or out?

 

[journolud]

Don't know. Possibly a compromise, but Swedish papers are reporting movement by the UK.

Compromise is most likely but there will be those on both sides of the debate on here desperate to spin it as one side or the other caving in. Can’t remember who it was said we won’t see movement from the UK until the EU have a viable wank away option and something or other

 

[hilts]

So ... are you in or out?

I think he is warming to the idea of a hard brexit, if his posts are anything to go by, give it a week or 2 and he will be kicking out his house guests, the RW media have turned him.