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BobKowalski said:
Correct. Which is why we having new customs procedures, more red tape and rules of origin provisions slapped on us.

Basically, we can lug our own golf clubs around rather than have the use of a caddy and golf cart. According to Gove it will make us ‘match fit’. Or knackered.
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Chemical firms having to register every chemical under two separate regimes.
Cost £1bn...

32 committees or working parties to sort out new regs.
 
Len Rum said:
Yeah.
Err....what are they mate?
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Got the opportunity to fill in a customs form posting to Belgium this afternoon if that counts. Not a big thing just another in the list of slightly worse things.
Still I’m sure when the slightly better things are pointed out to me they’ll balance my list out.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Trawl mine if you like, out of the SM, CU and ECJ was always Brexity enough for me, throw in a FTA, and freedom to strike deals worldwide free of EU regulation and that'll do nicely.
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Nicely for you mate.
You would be among the majority of Brexit voters who were happy with more sovereignty and no deal with any deal being a bonus (even if it was a bit shit).
But the referendum result was a narrow victory and I'd wager that at least a quarter of leave voters thought we would be better off or at least no worse off after brexit which is not the case with this deal.
That would explain why there appears to be Brexit buyers regret in the country.
 
Scottyboi said:
In one of your unbiased opinions what is this deal like we have just signed? Considering last year it was oven ready and good to go? And is it better or worse than the one Theresa had?
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It’s a bit shit and not as good as remaining but we’ll have a chance to do more of our thing and it likely won’t result in a recession, like no deal would have.

Your life won’t change much mate is the best way of describing it.

May didn’t get to the point of a trade deal, as her withdrawal agreement didn’t get through but it was much worse than this one. We’d have had a free trade agreement like this if it had got through Parliament but the EU would have had complete control over us.
 
Rather amusing from David Gauke...

‘We've been told many times that Brexit was about 'sovereignty'. The ERG has concluded that the Trade & Cooperation Agreement delivers sovereignty because Parliament can choose to break its obligations under the TCA & the UK can give notice of termination of the agreement.

But as the ex-Head of the Government Legal Service points out, these tests are compatible with membership of the EU. After all the country has gone through in the last 5 years, under the tests the ERG are using, it turns out we were always sovereign.’
 
BobKowalski said:
Jonathon Powell (Blair Chief of Staff) for his take...

tl:dr We lost.

‘5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks‘

www.politico.eu

5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks

Tony Blair’s former chief of staff argues the UK has performed disastrously in Brexit negotiations.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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Seems a bit more informed and experienced than that Scottish Tory MSP referenced earlier.

Quite a sobering read and for those that didn’t already know it illustrates exactly why Frost was not the negotiating genius that some of the Brexit fans are convinced he is.
 
BobKowalski said:
Jonathon Powell (Blair Chief of Staff) for his take...

tl:dr We lost.

‘5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks‘

www.politico.eu

5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks

Tony Blair’s former chief of staff argues the UK has performed disastrously in Brexit negotiations.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
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Some of that is pretty old stuff regarding Mays tenure. Most of the mistakes were made early doors which made it difficult to recover from. The failure to include financial services in the agreement seems to be the biggest contemporary issue. i haven’t seen any impact analysis for what that means for the city. Have you?
 
Ban-jani said:
It’s a bit shit and not as good as remaining but we’ll have a chance to do more of our thing and it likely won’t result in a recession, like no deal would have.

Your life won’t change much mate is the best way of describing it.

May didn’t get to the point of a trade deal, as her withdrawal agreement didn’t get through but it was much worse than this one. We’d have had a free trade agreement like this if it had got through Parliament but the EU would have had complete control over us.
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I think the FTA we'd have got under Mavis would have been very close to this one.
 
hgblue said:
I’d have thought rounding up wholly innocent people based solely on their religion, forcing them on to trains to work as slave labour in concentration camps, would be reason enough to suspect that the regime you’re negotiating with is probably not particularly trustworthy or morally acceptable.
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Winston Churchill holding on line 1.
 
Len Rum said:
I think the FTA we'd have got under Mavis would have been very close to this one.
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I think so too.

If you cast your mind back, the criticisms, outside of the backstop, were that the service industry would suffer, similarly to right now.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The UK did a trade deal with China worth £14 billion in 2014. Surely you remember Xi , Cameron and Sergio doing a selfie at the Etihad. Stop believing what the Daily Mail and Daily Express print.

www.gov.uk

UK and China agree £14 billion of trade and investment deals

Details of the trade and investment deals announced during the UK-China summit.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

Admittedly its not a free trade deal but its still a deal .
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Missing the point, I think.
What we couldn't do was sign independent trade treaties if you want to be pedantic, but the point was more that Xi will still talk to Boris as we are not irrelevant in the world. And so will Macron.
But I'm sure you know that
 
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west didsblue said:
Seems a bit more informed and experienced than that Scottish Tory MSP referenced earlier.

Quite a sobering read and for those that didn’t already know it illustrates exactly why Frost was not the negotiating genius that some of the Brexit fans are convinced he is.
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Thing is in a few days threads are being pulled and its unravelling.......all I have seen as support is the same old rhetorical jingoistic nonsense which shows the direction of travel...
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thing is in a few days threads are being pulled and its unravelling.......all I have seen as support is the same old rhetorical jingoistic nonsense which shows the direction of travel...
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It seems as though not being under ECJ jurisdiction and replacing it with an equivalent is enough for some.

Then there is this weird triumphalism about getting a deal when no one said it could be done. In trade terms, as far as I can see, the EU has got what it wanted (which was always going to be the case). Rather than being some sort of miracle achieved by our negotiating team, the deal itself was actually quite easily struck as we've had to cave given our weaker hand. It was just easier to delay so the detail couldn't be scrutinised by parliament.

Still it's done now and at least it's no deal. I look forward to any forthcoming international commentary that suggests we've played a blinder but fear it might be a case of "what was the fucking point?"
 
joe123 said:
It seems as though not being under ECJ jurisdiction and replacing it with an equivalent is enough for some.

Then there is this weird triumphalism about getting a deal when no one said it could be done. In trade terms, as far as I can see, the EU has got what it wanted (which was always going to be the case). Rather than being some sort of miracle achieved by our negotiating team, the deal itself was actually quite easily struck as we've had to cave given our weaker hand. It was just easier to delay so the detail couldn't be scrutinised by parliament.

Still it's done now and at least it's no deal. I look forward to any forthcoming international commentary that suggests we've played a blinder but fear it might be a case of "what was the fucking point?"
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As far as I can see, though I haven’t and won’t be reading it,it’s pretty much one of the off the shelf deals the eu originally offered. This being off the Canadian shelf. With added LPF which was what the tories were trying not to add, could be wrong.
My guess is the next few years or more will be spent negotiating to make it little less off the shelf.
In most peoples life the jurisdiction of it is neither here nor there. Except when asked should it be judged by the eu most people would probably think it shouldn’t, but in reality it would make little difference. Think an independent jurisdiction was always easilly achievable anyway.
 
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