Another new Brexit thread

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BobKowalski said:
Rather amusing from David Gauke...

‘We've been told many times that Brexit was about 'sovereignty'. The ERG has concluded that the Trade & Cooperation Agreement delivers sovereignty because Parliament can choose to break its obligations under the TCA & the UK can give notice of termination of the agreement.

But as the ex-Head of the Government Legal Service points out, these tests are compatible with membership of the EU. After all the country has gone through in the last 5 years, under the tests the ERG are using, it turns out we were always sovereign.’
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Well I never.

I wonder what they're really after ?
 
Has anyone added to the minor benefits list yet?
Are we still on £100k of tariff free Stilton to Japan and filling in lots of extra customs forms to become match fit?
Nothing else?
 
blueparrot said:
It really isn’t finished, it’s got years to go. Maybe not as brexit. Maybe call it The latest new deal thread.
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Whether in the EU as a member, or outside of it as an independant nation, there will always be dialogue between the UK and Europe. That would have been the case had the referendum never been called, because the UK is and was constantly at odds with the rest of the EU.

Why this is a shock to some people is baffling. I mean, as a Scots Natz advocate, you don't seriously think that Scotland leaving the UK will mean the nation won't have ANY dialogue or trade discussions with the rest of the UK, do you?

Brexit. IS. over.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Whether in the EU as a member, or outside of it as an independant nation, there will always be dialogue between the UK and Europe. That would have been the case had the referendum never been called, because the UK is and was constantly at odds with the rest of the EU.

Why this is a shock to some people is baffling. I mean, as a Scots Natz advocate, you don't seriously think that Scotland leaving the UK will mean the nation won't have ANY dialogue or trade discussions with the rest of the UK, do you?

Brexit. IS. over.
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to be fair there is one more day of transition left to enjoy life as we know it , Jim.
 
Parliament votes in favour of UK-EU trade and co-operation deal.

Bluemoon's Another new Brexit thread;

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Johnson doesn't really believe this "cake and eat it" nonsense, does he? I suppose it depends on what the cake was...

It started with an official or MP using the phrase to describe the UK negotiating policy - free trade on goods maybe, but he reckoned services would be harder because the French want the business. Then of course we have the "out of the single market / access to the single market" different messaging before and after the referendum. So I guess the best analogy is that no tariffs is the icing but we didn't get the actual cake (plus of course we had the law breakers advocating we wouldn't pay the divorce bill).

Gove reckoned "we would still benefit from the free trade zone which stretches from Iceland to the Russian border. But we wouldn’t have all the EU regulations which cost our economy £600m every week.”

We seem to have signed up to keep all those Regs (of our sovereign free choice of course) but added all the non-tariff costs of not being in the SM.

And we are certainly a long way from Johnson's "It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed.”
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Whether in the EU as a member, or outside of it as an independant nation, there will always be dialogue between the UK and Europe. That would have been the case had the referendum never been called, because the UK is and was constantly at odds with the rest of the EU.

Why this is a shock to some people is baffling. I mean, as a Scots Natz advocate, you don't seriously think that Scotland leaving the UK will mean the nation won't have ANY dialogue or trade discussions with the rest of the UK, do you?

Brexit. IS. over.
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Scot Nats with a z now is it, I’m not an advocate and haven’t yet ever voted for independence, but am coming round to it,not sure why you and other keep coming back to that.
However yes there has always been negotiating, but without any urgency. Now we have gone back to not the ground zero of no deal, but the foundations and have a lot of building back up to do. Trouble is the design we are building will change with every election and different government.
 
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