Anyone ever taken steroids?

not my fault! said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
not my fault! said:
No they don't, like I say I know some body builders & although some do train naturally others in the natural category do take substance. There used to be a shop in Walkden that sold natural & health products, I've been in there when known "natural" bodybuilders have popped in & had a jab in the back room. Needles to say he's closed the shop now.

I can only go off what i read and ephedrine was on the banned substance list along with anything that wasn't protein shakes by the look of it. I dont run the competition so I cant verify the truthfulness of it. Not everyone cheats

Ephedrine is easy to buy, that's why people us it. But in relation to not everyone cheats... At some point they do or they wouldn't achieve those results. The human body cannot cope with the stress put on it without help.
What the best you can achieve without cheating then?
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
not my fault! said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
I can only go off what i read and ephedrine was on the banned substance list along with anything that wasn't protein shakes by the look of it. I dont run the competition so I cant verify the truthfulness of it. Not everyone cheats

Ephedrine is easy to buy, that's why people us it. But in relation to not everyone cheats... At some point they do or they wouldn't achieve those results. The human body cannot cope with the stress put on it without help.
What the best you can achieve without cheating then?

A max gain of 3-4Lbs per year, but these guys build 2-3x more that in 6months. Remember muscle is 70% water. You watched the video put up earlier? I remember is being on a while back, watch it & it explains a lot.
 
not my fault! said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
not my fault! said:
Ephedrine is easy to buy, that's why people us it. But in relation to not everyone cheats... At some point they do or they wouldn't achieve those results. The human body cannot cope with the stress put on it without help.
What the best you can achieve without cheating then?

A max gain of 3-4Lbs per year, but these guys build 2-3x more that in 6months. Remember muscle is 70% water. You watched the video put up earlier? I remember is being on a while back, watch it & it explains a lot.

The greg valentino im a complete muppet video
 
Plenty of great physiques in the BNBF(natural(tested) ferderation).i'd say 95% are unassisted,however,as in all aspects of life,there are 'cheats'.

Most are around the 11-13 stone weight between 5'4 and 6'.

When i trained religously,i attained probably close to my natural potential at approx 12 stone at 5'8.
 
Citysmith said:
not my fault! said:
The human body can gain a maximum increase of 2Lbs of muscle per year naturally.

Are you sure about this? Healthy high in protein diet and a fair bit of gym work? I'm no expert but I've had bigger shites than that

It's utter rubbish. Different people can gain different amounts, certainly more than 2lbs per year.
 
GStar said:
Citysmith said:
not my fault! said:
The human body can gain a maximum increase of 2Lbs of muscle per year naturally.

Are you sure about this? Healthy high in protein diet and a fair bit of gym work? I'm no expert but I've had bigger shites than that

It's utter rubbish. Different people can gain different amounts, certainly more than 2lbs per year.

It depends on diet, training and genetic potential. I say around 5-10lbs of muscle per year for novice guys, just starting, and around 5 of more advanced. I have never done steroids or other drugs on banned lists and i consider myself to be big. You can easily tell who is on steroids. I call them 'buffy' muscles as that is what looks like. Most of these guys on steroid also forget to do squats, its an easy tell. Huge upper bodies, small legs = steroids user with no clue. Also talking to most of them about training and nutrition is a tell. If you are natural, you can't achieve good results without being very knowledgeable or a genetic freak. Not many genetic freaks around though.
 

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