Anyone for Roberto Mancini

Damocles said:
Mancini and Khaldoon are good mates IIRC.

Whether we like it or not, this guy is probably our next manager.

I don't understand all of the Hughes Out posters who want to get rid of him now. We can bring in Mancini, Hiddink or whoever now or wait until summer until Mourinho is available. The guy deserves a season at least, otherwise what was the point of backing him for £200m and then sacking him before you get the returns on that?

If the returns don't come this season, and he finishes outside where he needs to, then get rid. Doing so now makes us look like fools, and worst of all, makes us look like we have a bunch of entirely impatient owners who talk a big game about patience and understanding football but are actually just idiots with a bit of cash who knee jerk react to a run of bad results.

I'm not saying that Hughes is the man for the job, but I do believe that the manager we really want isn't going to be available until the summer, so it is a silly idea to remove our current manager before then. He might even come good, you never know. What we do know, is that Hughes won't get us relegated and we there or thereabouts a European spot. If we don't hit the CL this year, then fine, it's still an improvement on last year. Dispose of Hughes and bring in Mourinho.

This period of time is a test of the Sheik and Khaldoon, and we are about to find out if our owners are as reactionary and impatient as some fans are, or have a bit of nouse and plan for the future. There is no benefit to us to getting rid of Hughes now, and only positives for keeping him until the summer.

If I had a choice of CL under Mancini now, and UEFA Cup under Hughes then Mourinho in the summer, I know what I would choose. You can't sack a manager if he gets us to the CL after coming in in January, so we would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

I've really really want Hughes gone, having said that though i have on several occasions stated like yourself we should wait till the summer to replace Hughes possibly even after the world cup. I was just throwing this thread out there because to be honest with you I'm totally and completely stumped on who we get in to replace Hughes and Mancini seems to be one of thew managers around that seem to fit the criteria (mainly young and won something).

As the next manager we get in i genuinely want to keep for a long time. So as long as the next manager isn't a complete **** that no one likes (Roy Keane, Steve Bruce etc) and he has some credentials to back himself up. I'm absolutely positive they will get much more slack from the fans. As for me Hughes was always set up for failure and his appointment was a HUGE mistake by Garry Cook. Come on you don't appoint a guy that was pretty much universally hated buy your fans base and then expect them to put away that hatred.

People might be able to put away that hatred to the back of there mind, but its always going to be the in the back of there mind. So with the butt stopping with the manager anything that goes wrong is going to push that hatred closer to the front of there mind until it hits a breaking point.

P.S. If you don't believe me about the universal hatred of Hughes, if possible dig out the Match day threads of City V Blackburn under Sven's reign. Hughes gets mercilessly ripped to pieces for his team being a dirt bunch of cheating clogging bastards to him being just a complete and total classless twat.
 
Okay then Challenger, if Hughes was such a big mistake (and I'm not in disagreement with you) by Cook, then does he go aswell and someone like Peter Kenyon come in? (hypothetical, this isn't to lead onto Kenyon in particular, but more about Cook being replaced)
 
Damocles said:
I think giving a person £150m in the summer and then sacking them before January is a little impatient.

What if they'd already given the guy £90 million and a full season and the results have always been shit?
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Damocles said:
I think giving a person £150m in the summer and then sacking them before January is a little impatient.

What if they'd already given the guy £90 million and a full season and the results have always been shit?

Including 2 wins away from home all season.
 
I may be wrong, but didn't Mancini only win the title after his main rivals were fatally weakened by points deductions after the refereeing scandal? That said, his record is still impressive as Inter were massive underachievers when he took over
 
C_T_I_D said:
Okay then Challenger, if Hughes was such a big mistake (and I'm not in disagreement with you) by Cook, then does he go aswell and someone like Peter Kenyon come in? (hypothetical, this isn't to lead onto Kenyon in particular, but more about Cook being replaced)

I wouldn't get rid, I'd move sideways and put him in charge of all the marketing stuff, you know so he can build us into one of the worlds biggest brands. That way we've got him in a role he knows inside and out from his Nike days and we can still have him around for all his contacts.
 
LongsightM13 said:
I may be wrong, but didn't Mancini only win the title after his main rivals were fatally weakened by points deductions after the refereeing scandal? That said, his record is still impressive as Inter were massive underachievers when he took over

I'll be honest I'm not massively up on what goes on in the Italian league but he did win the league i think 3 years on the trot.
 
LongsightM13 said:
I may be wrong, but didn't Mancini only win the title after his main rivals were fatally weakened by points deductions after the refereeing scandal? That said, his record is still impressive as Inter were massive underachievers when he took over

You're right in that the first season he won it that was a contributing factor. Your second point is valid too though because Inter had thrown money at trying to win the title for years without any success, and although the action taken against Milan and Juventus helped them Mancini still had to produce a cohesive Inter side. if I remember rightly Roma were very good that year but Inter won the league by some distance (think they only lost once all year) playing some great stuff along the way. He then defended it the next year when Juve were back in the league and Milan started with a level playing field. Personally I thought Inter were a much better side under Mancini than they are under Mourinho who in my eyes has taken them backwards a bit, Just my opinion though.
 
Damocles said:
BillyShears said:
That post is flawed on so many levels. Firstly, whether Hughes is sacked tomorrow, or in the summer, nobody can say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip by our owners. In fact, it beggars belief that anyone would suggest Hughes hasn't been given a chance. He has been given resources which are unprecedented, on top of that, he chose to use those resources signing experienced premiership players so there was no period of adaptation required. Just hit the ground running. In theory anyway...

I think giving a person £150m in the summer and then sacking them before January is a little impatient.

As for the Mancini v Mourinho argument. Again, flawed, flawed, flawed. I actually laughed out loud at the "UEFA cup under Hughes, with Mourinho to follow, or Chumps League with Mancini..." IMO, it's borderline delusional to think that next summer Mourinho will take over City if we are not playing CL football. For exactly the same reasons, that we won't sign Messi or Torres...so it's either Mourinho in Jan, or not at all. And with the way the CL draw has just happened, I'd hazard a guess as to not at all...

We seem to have different information then. Everything that I have been fed states that Mourinho will only come in the summer, and it isn't dependent on us being in the CL, quite the opposite in fact.

You seem to be arguing that Hughes may not be good enough, but we should give him the rest of the season because...well, just because it would mean our owners are stand up guys. No thanks. I'd rather our owners were ruthless and wanted what is best for the club.

No, my argument is that it is wrong to back a person to the level that we did in the summer and then sack him before they have played 20 games together. That shows a severe lack of patience, or a severe lack of planning.

With respect, I see your points, but I agree with none of them. A decision to sack Hughes will be based on his 18 months in charge. He signed quite a few players last season too.

Regarding Mourinho, I don't really have any inside information. I just cannot see him taking over a club playing in the EUROPA league when in all likelihood Real Madrid will be looking for a manager next summer...

Why people keep insisting on talking about this season as if it's Hughes' first in charge is beyond my level comprehension to be honest. I was a staunch Hughes supporter for a long long time - but I can't keep making excuses for ineptitude he's showing...
 
No. Just because your successful in one League doesn't mean you will be in another, just look at Juande Ramos.
 
Bojinov The Bull said:
Definately not, his teams style of play is very defensive and by all accounts he can't motivate his players either!

No it is not. Ask any Inter fan, they loved him.
 
Unknown_Genius said:
No. Just because your successful in one League doesn't mean you will be in another, just look at Juande Ramos.

Well how many mangers have actually won somthing in the prem ?, I'm not posative but i'm sure its a very limited number. Most of those that have won somthing as well were probably foreign managers that were unproven to the prem when they came.
 
This is the kind of talk we had when Hughes got the job to start with, those that thought he was thee man for the job belittled anyone else saying "well they haven't really won anything" Ofcourse the fact that Hughes, actually hasn't won anything was glossed over. As for Mancini I don't know a great deal about him, however the next manager has to be the right guy, we simply can't afford another Ball/Clark or Hughes again.
 
Challenger1978 said:
Damocles said:
Mancini and Khaldoon are good mates IIRC.

Whether we like it or not, this guy is probably our next manager.

I don't understand all of the Hughes Out posters who want to get rid of him now. We can bring in Mancini, Hiddink or whoever now or wait until summer until Mourinho is available. The guy deserves a season at least, otherwise what was the point of backing him for £200m and then sacking him before you get the returns on that?

If the returns don't come this season, and he finishes outside where he needs to, then get rid. Doing so now makes us look like fools, and worst of all, makes us look like we have a bunch of entirely impatient owners who talk a big game about patience and understanding football but are actually just idiots with a bit of cash who knee jerk react to a run of bad results.

I'm not saying that Hughes is the man for the job, but I do believe that the manager we really want isn't going to be available until the summer, so it is a silly idea to remove our current manager before then. He might even come good, you never know. What we do know, is that Hughes won't get us relegated and we there or thereabouts a European spot. If we don't hit the CL this year, then fine, it's still an improvement on last year. Dispose of Hughes and bring in Mourinho.

This period of time is a test of the Sheik and Khaldoon, and we are about to find out if our owners are as reactionary and impatient as some fans are, or have a bit of nouse and plan for the future. There is no benefit to us to getting rid of Hughes now, and only positives for keeping him until the summer.

If I had a choice of CL under Mancini now, and UEFA Cup under Hughes then Mourinho in the summer, I know what I would choose. You can't sack a manager if he gets us to the CL after coming in in January, so we would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.

I've really really want Hughes gone, having said that though i have on several occasions stated like yourself we should wait till the summer to replace Hughes possibly even after the world cup. I was just throwing this thread out there because to be honest with you I'm totally and completely stumped on who we get in to replace Hughes and Mancini seems to be one of thew managers around that seem to fit the criteria (mainly young and won something).

As the next manager we get in i genuinely want to keep for a long time. So as long as the next manager isn't a complete **** that no one likes (Roy Keane, Steve Bruce etc) and he has some credentials to back himself up. I'm absolutely positive they will get much more slack from the fans. As for me Hughes was always set up for failure and his appointment was a HUGE mistake by Garry Cook. Come on you don't appoint a guy that was pretty much universally hated buy your fans base and then expect them to put away that hatred.

People might be able to put away that hatred to the back of there mind, but its always going to be the in the back of there mind. So with the butt stopping with the manager anything that goes wrong is going to push that hatred closer to the front of there mind until it hits a breaking point.

P.S. If you don't believe me about the universal hatred of Hughes, if possible dig out the Match day threads of City V Blackburn under Sven's reign. Hughes gets mercilessly ripped to pieces for his team being a dirt bunch of cheating clogging bastards to him being just a complete and total classless twat.
The current Spuds match thread is a perfect example, no other manager would have got that stick coming off the back of an undefeated run.
 
BillyShears said:

Regarding Mourinho, I don't really have any inside information. I just cannot see him taking over a club playing in the EUROPA league when in all likelihood Real Madrid will be looking for a manager next summer...
...

But then you're overlooking the fact that Mourinho keeps banging on about coming back to England.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Challenger1978 said:
The current Spuds match thread is a perfect example, no other manager would have got that stick coming off the back of an undefeated run.

But we're not exactly coming off the back of a magnificent winning streak, either, which is every bit as important when you have the scale of ambitions City have.
 
Pam said:
BillyShears said:
Regarding Mourinho, I don't really have any inside information. I just cannot see him taking over a club playing in the EUROPA league when in all likelihood Real Madrid will be looking for a manager next summer...
...

But then you're overlooking the fact that Mourinho keeps banging on about coming back to England.
You're also overlooking the fact we a not likely to be even in the Europa League with this clown for another 5 months!
 

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