Are we 3rd best?

[casualdeyna]

Who gives a flying f*ck about Taggart, Moyes or Mourinho

We have easily had one of the best squads in the league in the last few years, we've strengthened and have one of the best managers in Europe. We shouldn't fear anyone and it's beginning to grate all this "Mourinho back" and "Un*ted not missing a beat"

Back us to be the best regardless of what is going on elsewhere, not bloody second, third or whatever. We ARE the best and if I'm biased so should you

 

[chris85mcfc]

I'm not going to discredit the man's legacy, everyone is so sensitive around here. And yes, many have stated in this thread that United will falter entirely because Fergie has left and Moyes is in charge now. For no other reason.

Watch United hardly miss a beat next season, that's more what I was referring too.

Your original comment was that he was overrated, and rightly so you were corrected. The guy was a t*** there is no mistaking that, but he was also a genius and one that won countless numbers of trophies.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm not going to discredit the man's legacy, everyone is so sensitive around here. And yes, many have stated in this thread that United will falter entirely because Fergie has left and Moyes is in charge now. For no other reason.

Watch United hardly miss a beat next season, that's more what I was referring too.

Your original comment was that he was overrated, and rightly so you were corrected. The guy was a t*** there is no mistaking that, but he was also a genius and one that won countless numbers of trophies.

I can't remember who on this thread said it, but it wasn't just about his tactical awareness and team motivation, selection, substitutions etc. It was also about how he controlled the media, intimidated the referees and generally tilted the whole playing field in Uniteds favour. They started 1-0 up in most games.

We will not see this to the same extent with Gollum.

 

[skelpomike]

Gollum will not make United any better or worse in my opinion, we just have to make sure we are much better than last season and not worry about them. Chelsea do worry me though, I think if they get off to a fast start they will be very strong but who knows, it all makes for one hell of an exciting season.

I think we will win the league but not by much!

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Gollum will not make United any better or worse in my opinion, we just have to make sure we are much better than last season and not worry about them. Chelsea do worry me though, I think if they get off to a fast start they will be very strong but who knows, it all makes for one hell of an exciting season.

I think we will win the league but not by much!

I can't see how moyes can take a squad that ferguson had and make it better or even keep them performing to the same standard. The only thing up for debate for me is how much worse they will get. I don't think they will get massively worse but we live in hope

 

[kiam06]

We are by far the best team with the best squad.

 

[Akira]

I'm not going to discredit the man's legacy, everyone is so sensitive around here. And yes, many have stated in this thread that United will falter entirely because Fergie has left and Moyes is in charge now. For no other reason.

Watch United hardly miss a beat next season, that's more what I was referring too.

Your original comment was that he was overrated, and rightly so you were corrected. The guy was a t*** there is no mistaking that, but he was also a genius and one that won countless numbers of trophies.

I can't remember who on this thread said it, but it wasn't just about his tactical awareness and team motivation, selection, substitutions etc. It was also about how he controlled the media, intimidated the referees and generally tilted the whole playing field in Uniteds favour. They started 1-0 up in most games.

We will not see this to the same extent with Gollum.

Pretty sure more than most who isn't a United fan said that.

IMO, and a United mate of mine would agree with me, that Ferguson made an average team look good. On the basis of things, United's squad has a weak midfield, average defensive line, and without Van Persie, they couldn't have had that huge a lead.

Maybe I'm just overstating some things, but I believe Ferguson was a huge difference to the current United side, on an on-pitch analysis alone.

I don't think Moyes failing is the worst of things for them. If Moyes fails, the one who takes over from Moyes would be the crucial part. I'm taking Liverpool's fall from grace into comparison here - Rafa, Hodgson, Dalglish. If someone better had taken over from Hodgson, Liverpool might not have fallen so far behind now.

To answer OP's question, I believe we're currently on the same standing as United. If I was making a sensible bet, I would place it on Mourinho to win the title.

 

[cavendishblue]

As it stands what we are really saying is:-

1. We HOPE Pellegrini will be able to motivate the players to reach their potential better
than Mancini.
2. We HOPE Jovetic and Negrado will produce more than Tevez & Ballotelli
3. We HOPE Mouriniho will be a damp squib at Cheslsea although his track record would
suggest otherwise
4. We HOPE Moyes turns out to be a disaster at OT
5. We HOPE than in the 5 weeks of the transfer window that remain that United don't land
any major signings of the calibre of Bale, Fabregas or Ronaldo

If all our hopes come true then City will win the title, realistically it is likely to be a 3-way fight and we have a 33% chance of winning. Personally I prefer to keep my feet on the ground!

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

If all our hopes come true then City will win the title, realistically it is likely to be a 3-way fight and we have a 33% chance of winning. Personally I prefer to keep my feet on the ground!

That is not strictly true. I know what you're getting at, but you have to factor in the other 17 teams.

 

[Petetheblu]

Reckons me self that, that Van Pussy will be feigning injury after a month or so with Davey in charge....

 

[HellasLEAF]

well said and well illustrated cavendishblue. people make United without Fergie sound like well, Everton. And Chelsea like Arsenal.

Both these clubs are heavily trophy-laden of late and for good reason. England and Europe.

I feel Chelsea to definitely be stronger under Mourinho over the sideshow that was Benitez.

And even a small dip from United still has them able to win the league again.

City/Pellegrini are going to have to have it figured out quick or they will be chasing.

We've had an excellent summer though no doubt. Quality signings all of them.

 

[NoahCity]

well said and well illustrated cavendishblue. people make United without Fergie sound like well, Everton. And Chelsea like Arsenal.

Both these clubs are heavily trophy-laden of late and for good reason. England and Europe.

I feel Chelsea to definitely be stronger under Mourinho over the sideshow that was Benitez.

And even a small dip from United still has them able to win the league again.

City/Pellegrini are going to have to have it figured out quick or they will be chasing.

We've had an excellent summer though no doubt. Quality signings all of them.

You seem to be assuming that both Chelsea and United will hit the ground running while City will struggle, hate these type of comments.

 

[Bill]

I'm not going to discredit the man's legacy, everyone is so sensitive around here. And yes, many have stated in this thread that United will falter entirely because Fergie has left and Moyes is in charge now. For no other reason.

Watch United hardly miss a beat next season, that's more what I was referring too.

Pmsl. And for the record any other manager last season and utd would have nowhere near champions.

 

[Ducado]

Most Rags are worried about next season

 

[PistonBlue]

It's between Us and Chelsea.

 

[KingVinnie]

Not quite sure just where to peg us yet.

Hard to deny United haven't weakened any, and don't look to be finished adding as well. They won by a fair bit so you have to consider them favourites again at this stage if being objective.

Chelsea have all kinds of depth and quality with Mourinho back in charge and an owner with no conscience when it comes to spending.

Think we are a bit better than what should be a beefed up Arsenal and steady as she goes Spurs. Liverpool will be fighting for champions league and nothing more imo.

I think we have the potential to win the league with our additions and the new manager, but I would put us 3rd until proven otherwise.

They've downgraded immensely manager wise.<br /><br />-- Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:02 pm --<br /><br />also i think were joint best with chelsea.

 

[GHoddle]

Not quite sure just where to peg us yet.

Hard to deny United haven't weakened any, and don't look to be finished adding as well. They won by a fair bit so you have to consider them favourites again at this stage if being objective.

Chelsea have all kinds of depth and quality with Mourinho back in charge and an owner with no conscience when it comes to spending.

Think we are a bit better than what should be a beefed up Arsenal and steady as she goes Spurs. Liverpool will be fighting for champions league and nothing more imo.

I think we have the potential to win the league with our additions and the new manager, but I would put us 3rd until proven otherwise.

Apart from them losing one of the best ever managers in the game and replacing him with Moyes. Replacing the man who has won 49 major trophies in his managerial career, the most of any manager in history, with someone who has won zero trophies in 15 years of management.

That's a game changer imo, as is Mourinho returning to Chelsea. Pellegrini imo is also an upgrade on Mancini, but I would still say that I rank your squad as about equal with Chelsea, but I think Mourinho is the best manager in the league. United will finish 3rd at best, unless they sack Moyes early and bring Ferguson back.

 

[kiam06]

Most Rags are worried about next season

Why? I'd be quiet confident if I was them as the 20pts they get from bent decisions usually helps.

 

[Marvin]

Most Rags are worried about next season

Why? I'd be quiet confident if I was them as the 20pts they get from bent decisions usually helps.

But how many of those decisions came as a result of Ferguson turning up the heat on the referees, before and after games?

Moyes looks very uncomfortable in his new job. I can't seen him having the credibility to apply the pressure that Ferguson applied.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

I don't see much changing at United. Ferguson played a system at United that is easily replicated. Other clubs play that way. It's effective but not very deep tactically and I think Moyes can step in and get them continuing with that simple way of playing. It's not bad to watch or owt, it's just simple to impliment but hard to stop.