The point is that isn't what all the investment has been about - winning the Carabao. Like if we won that and nothing for the next 3 years that would be fine? No.
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burning blue soul
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But, you have won nothing for the last 5 years.
the blue panther
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I respect your posts my friend.
Don't know whether you're deliberately missing the point but you had 2 realistic choices of trophy to aim for - you aren't going to win the premier league as Liverpool are already uncatchable - so it was Caribou or Champions league. An absolutely shite United team dumped you of the FA Cup.
You aren't going to win the Champions league. You beat a shit City side last weekend, so that was no guide whatsoever, but you celebrated like you'd won the fuckin' Champions League, forgetting that at the moment we're nothing more than an absolute pile of shite.
You shouldn't denigrate the 'Caribou' when it's the only realistic trophy out there for you.
I don't know what you want me to say. Should I start crying that we are out of a cup that was like 5th priority? Our priorities in order at start of season were (in my opinion)
1. PL
2. Cl
3. Top 4
4. FA Cup
5. EFL Cup.
Maybe other Arsenal fans are miffed - it is what it is, Newcastle deserve to be in the final, best of luck to them against whichever of the 2 nasty mofo clubs they play against.
Arsenal struggle against Newcastle - they have our number. It doesn't correlate with how other teams fare against us though as Newcastle have a specific player set that works against us but other teams don't play that way and can't replicate it. If we played City next week we'd beat you probably. If we played Newcastle next week they'd probably beat us. Other teams find it less difficult against them. At the end of the season the table settles it and we will finish above them based on how they did against other teams and how we did against other teams.
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You seem to be a good sort mate.
It's the angry tarquin cunts we don't particularly care for ;-)
burning blue soul
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Your approach to the sport is out of step with mine, it appears.
Arsenal seem to be in two minds about their direction and what they, fundamentally view as success.
Due to your, relatively, successful recent past you consider the league as realistic minimum requirement. Now, that, actually is how all clubs fans should think anyway (owners have their own agendas), so in that we are agreed.
Where we differ is that winning trophies is not your ultimate desire. Your (fans) desperate desire is to be respected and feared, and the owners is to make money.
Beating City is a good start, but it is tinged with the realisation that we are not a good team this season, and beating us isn't the cause for celebration it was 10 months ago (but, itis a start, to be fair).
Respect and fear doesn't come from finishing 2nd in the league, or getting to the S/F or final of chumps (Spurs, anyone?) of the chumps league or just beating City (hello Liverpool of the last 15 years). It comes from regularly holding up silverware.
No matter how important.
Self-belief and drive in players comes from winning trophies, its why they play the game and why we watch them play. A professional footballer isn't going to enjoy telling his young grandkids about the time he achieved multiple runners up finishes, and in doing so provided a higher return on investment for the clubs owners.
But this is where Arsenal are. Success is short term fix without long term trophy success, and richer owners.
You are a fan base that have been gas-lit to such an extreme, that beating City, and your brief elevation above us, by climbing on City's shoulders, is the pinnacle for the players and fans.
Liverpool used to be the same. They may change this season if they win the league. Become more confident and comfortable in their place, we will see. But Liverpool, to me, will always have an asterisk against success due to their hacking of our scouting database. That's another avenue we won't travel down just now :)
My list is
1. Prem
2. FA Cup
3. LG Cup
4. Chumps
I list these as prem is the most coveted for an English fan
Then the two cups that are realistically achievable.
Then the chumps, as it is the belief gained from being trophy winners that bleeds belief into the push to win it.
Look at Madrid. They are not as good as their historical play and success in the chumps demonstrates, but what they do is win trophies (domestically) regularly, and that breeds belief in the players perennially. This belief is what helps them overcome teams who are levels above them.
Winning trophies is the biggest and best PED there has ever been, and Arsenal should NEVER pass up on them.
Pep knows this, and this is why he has never disrespected the domestic cups with a predominant youth team. Even the shit teams are stacked with international level players, players trying to perform their way back into contention.
In conclusion, Arsenal fans are aiming for Miss World, and continually getting knocked back, when you have beauties all around waiting to be romanced.
And you know what that is a lack of? Humility!
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Blue Smarties
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Winning breeds winning. You might want to focus on that before discrediting a trophy opportunity
No trophy this season and Lego head will be under huge pressure.
You have given him fortunes to spend, we are at their weakest in a decade, Liverpool under a new manager after the "world's greatest manager" left them, it's now or never for you tarquin cunts.\
You beat us last week, that was your trophy, you celebrated like the PL title was in the bag, you utter classless , entitled cunts, you have rapidly overtaken the rags as the country's most despised club, all down to lego head and a horrible fan base.
As the Viking quite rightly stated, stay humble.
I dispute it's 'now or never' btw. Arsenal will be far stronger next season than this. Dippers arguably weaker and City will be better but also in transition. You'll have Rodri back but you've got a bunch of new players to bed in. We have some world class youngsters coming through, Saka back plus at some stage the board will actually buy someone who can stick the ball in the net. Then have Zubimendi coming in (allegedly). So we will be more than competitive for the foreseeable future.No trophy this season and Lego head will be under huge pressure.
You have given him fortunes to spend, we are at their weakest in a decade, Liverpool under a new manager after the "world's greatest manager" left them, it's now or never for you tarquin cunts.\
You beat us last week, that was your trophy, you celebrated like the PL title was in the bag, you utter classless , entitled cunts, you have rapidly overtaken the rags as the country's most despised club, all down to lego head and a horrible fan base.
As the Viking quite rightly stated, stay humble.
East Level 2
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I don't know if you ever go to games, but if you do you'll understand the joy of picking up a trophy at Wembley.
One of the biggest problems with the modern game is that top 4 means more than winning trophies. I can understand it from the clubs' perspective as the CL money is huge, but the trophies are more important for fans who attend the finals.
However Arsenal, and several others, have celebrated top four like a trophy ever since UEFA forgot the meaning of the word "champions" around 30 years ago.
SWPISHOME
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That's a really bizarre reply.
That Arsenal squad doesn’t have many medals between them, They've also never won a trophy as a group, The likes of the League Cup can give players and a team collectively a taste for the bigger and better trophies, Having a winning mentality changes everything and a League Cup can kick-start winning trophies.
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Fancy that…… analysis that works exactly how you need it to pan out.
It’s very much like the Dippers annual “next year will be our year chant”
How about adding in fatigue, confidence, injuries that can occur.
Last time we had a bad season ) Peps 1st we signed the following that needed to bed in,
Ederson,
Mendy,
Danilo,
Bernardo,
Walker,
Jesu,
And brought Foden into the fold……
We set the 100 point record in that transition.
"Arsenal will be far stronger next season than this"
Weak and insipid argument, it's always next season, hence you will always be the bridesmaid and a very ugly one at that.
Any way time you went back dawn sath and on your own forum
Manc Born & Bred
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Keep telling yourself it wasn’t a priority. If this was the case, and the league is more important, did you field exactly the same side that faced us a few days earlier despite being two down? Maybe if you had rotated your full backs or started Merino and Sterling then fair play but you didn’t. Lego head and his boys 100% thought Newcastle would crumble and you would reach Wembley but the strongest side had to play again 72 hours after beating us. You lot just don’t understand Erling’s comment and it’s biting you time and time again.
Lord Blue
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i always think it funny when people rely on world class youngsters coming through. i always wonder how you know they're world class? usually they've proved nothing. potential i get, but world class! give me a break.
Lord Blue
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I'm firmly in the camp of the Carabou Cup being a major trophy.
Always have been and i would assume i always will be (that caveat is because things can change in even our lifetime, never say never).
It's a major trophy for clubs that can't win the PL and CL, teams like Arsenal, Spuds and Newcastle.
At least Newcastle and Spuds acknowledge and know their place in the present pecking order.
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It’s the hope that kills you.
Good luck ;-)