Keane and Vieira played a different sport to Rodri. They were fantastic in their era but football was played differently. They'd only play about 15 games a season nowadaysVieira and Keane above Rodri IMHO. Or at least level. And above anyone, untouchable on his own is Ngolo Kante who was a cheat code for having the equivalent of 12 players on the pitch.
And I know this is a City forum but LOL at having Fernandinho above Rice, Petit and Essien!
The narrative that you bottled it in 23/24 is ludicrous. But you absolutely did in 22/23 - 2-0 up in successive games (against Liverpool and West Ham?) and only getting 2 draws, and then to draw at home (with an injury time equaliser) against rock bottom Southampton was pretty much the final nailBut were we?
In 22/23 I can understand it, I believe we were 8 points ahead, you had a game in hand and a game at The Etihad I believe.
In 23/24, we won 16 out the last 18 games, drawing 1 and losing 1. Is that seen as a bottle nowadays? It's actually a better end of season record than Liverpool had when they were chasing you and finished on 97 points.
In 24/25, we didn't spend much money at all. We were never top of the league, we were always well off it as well. So is that a different type of bottling?
This season, most people including you guys rightly pointed out that leads after 12 or 13 games mean very little as it could be from something simple such as a quirk in the fixture list, or short term form or whatever.
Yes
Thats how much you lot wet yourselves
The narrative that you bottled it in 23/24 is ludicrous. But you absolutely did in 22/23 - 2-0 up in successive games (against Liverpool and West Ham?) and only getting 2 draws, and then to draw at home (with an injury time equaliser) against rock bottom Southampton was pretty much the final nail
Exactly my thoughts about Kante. Not forgotten him kicking Merlin from pillar to post at the King Power the year Leicester won the title.Keane and Vieira played a different sport to Rodri. They were fantastic in their era but football was played differently. They'd only play about 15 games a season nowadays
Kante is the biggest myth in football and shouldn't be in the conversation. He was great at what he did but so limited as an all round midfielder
When they had moved past Graham's defence allied with Wenger's attack into a team put together solely by Wenger, with players like Van Persie and Reyes, they were a right diving bunch of cheats.Under Arsene, at times you played some the best football ever seen in the EPL. Maybe its the effect of agent Webb, but I don't remember, the diving, time wasting and thuggery being part of Arsene mantra.
Our dodgy patch is usually October to December.I think Arsenal are more than capable of winning the league but just going through a rough patch right now. The question is how long will it last? City definitely have a dodgy patch in us and we have some squad imbalances that will definitely be exposed if Nico G or Haaland pick up an injury soon.
Fernandinho shits all over Declan Rice lolVieira and Keane above Rodri IMHO. Or at least level. And above anyone, untouchable on his own is Ngolo Kante who was a cheat code for having the equivalent of 12 players on the pitch.
And I know this is a City forum but LOL at having Fernandinho above Rice, Petit and Essien!
So Rob Holding was the reason you let 2-0 leads slip in successive matches? The facts are champion teams will still find a way to get the job done.
Let's agree to disagree. This is a City forum, I'm an Arsenal fan, we are going to have our own biases. Heck it wasn't so long ago someone on here amazingly posted that Aguero was a better player than Henry so we are hardly going to have a neutral discussion on this!Fernandinho shits all over Declan Rice lol
But it's not even close regarding Fernandinho and Rice. It's fucking batshit crazy you think otherwise when you look at what both brought to their teams. One played a major role in umpteen trophies whilst the other one, err, hasn't.Let's agree to disagree. This is a City forum, I'm an Arsenal fan, we are going to have our own biases. Heck it wasn't so long ago someone on here amazingly posted that Aguero was a better player than Henry so we are hardly going to have a neutral discussion on this!
Heck, Amazingly? Lol it's certainly not odd to suggest Aguero was a better player. If it wasn't for injuries Aguero would have pushed Shearer's Premier League record for sure. Aguero has the best goals per minute ratio in Premier League history.Let's agree to disagree. This is a City forum, I'm an Arsenal fan, we are going to have our own biases. Heck it wasn't so long ago someone on here amazingly posted that Aguero was a better player than Henry so we are hardly going to have a neutral discussion on this!
Stop being ridiculous. Rice is not in the same universe as Fernandinho. Fernandinho was a one man midfield, Plodder needs someone to hold his hand whether it be Partey, Merino or Zubamendi.Let's agree to disagree. This is a City forum, I'm an Arsenal fan, we are going to have our own biases. Heck it wasn't so long ago someone on here amazingly posted that Aguero was a better player than Henry so we are hardly going to have a neutral discussion on this!
The thing is he could be eventually, he's got time on his side and we picked Fernandinho up late in his career.Stop being ridiculous. Rice is not in the same universe as Fernandinho
Even the games they've won there's been a good few of them that have been won late on, Wolves being the latest.Oh the surface not the end of the world however
They drew playing against 10 men Chelsea for an hour even going behind
They lost with the last kick of the game against Villa
Context is important
We beat Leeds 5-0Even the games they've won there's been a good few of them that have been won late on, Leeds being the latest.
Having to go balls to the wall multiple times to get wins this early in the season is a lot of emotional stress to put yourselves under. That's a big factor in them burning out in previous seasons and theyre doing the same thing this season. They don't look like they've learned any lessons from previous title bids that have flopped after the new year to me.
Meant Wolves my bad. Point stands.We beat Leeds 5-0
No it isn't. Rice is so wooden. Fernandinho was a real athlete with pace and plenty up top. As far away from Rice as you can get.The thing is he could be eventually, he's got time on his side and we picked Fernandinho up late in his career.
To say this version of Rice is better than the City version of Fernandinho is, as I said previously, absolutely batshit crazy.
Read that twice and still doesn't make sense.No it isn't. Rice is so wooden. Fernandinho was a real athlete with pace and plenty up top. As far away from Rice as you can get.