Aston Villa (H) | PL | Post Match Thread

blueparrot said:
About 7.15 when I left the ground after the walk around,mainly in the blue smoke though.
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city can piss about on these things though they lost all energy of crowd waiting a good 45 minutes for event they said will start straight after full time how them in sun coped i dont know
 
simon23 said:
The game might mean nothing but it does show again how poor aome of the rest of this squad is

No manager is getting any improvement in the likes of Rico Lewis. And Reijnders should never be allowed to.pull on a shirt again. Sav has to go as well

I'm.hoping whoever the new manager is can also improve Semenyo in some of the basics ( his goal scoring is top class but the rest of his game is poor)

Kova needs to go along with Ake as well
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What about Erling and Rodri?
You forgot to mention those two.....
 
dadnlad said:
city can piss about on these things though they lost all energy of crowd waiting a good 45 minutes for event they said will start straight after full time how them in sun coped i dont know
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Didn't lose any energy,started about 15 minutes after the game.
 
Grassland Blue said:
What about Erling and Rodri?
You forgot to mention those two.....
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ill just check their threads but ill guess
Haaland never involved first touch shit hides at back post behind defenders
Rodri finished since injury caught on ball slow sideways and backward passes
so in general get shut
 
simon23 said:
The game might mean nothing but it does show again how poor aome of the rest of this squad is

No manager is getting any improvement in the likes of Rico Lewis. And Reijnders should never be allowed to.pull on a shirt again. Sav has to go as well

I'm.hoping whoever the new manager is can also improve Semenyo in some of the basics ( his goal scoring is top class but the rest of his game is poor)

Kova needs to go along with Ake as well
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I kind of disagree, Pep threw a team out who had never played together and had hardly any match fitness, his one last big favour to his favourite players was to give them the day off, his one last present to us the fans was an insult.

You can’t judge any of the players who Pep has said I don’t trust for most of the season to expect them to coalesce like magic. In fairness I thought most did ok until Villa stepped up a gear but that line up was never going to respond when they did.

I may be salty but I cannot accept that line up yesterday, it gave the media a good stick to beat us with and change the narrative to Arsenal won the title comfortably in the end, which they absolutely didn’t.
 
Bit of a strange game really - neither team had anything riding on it and I felt that Villa might've been hungover from their win mid-week. Of course, with Pep, Stones and Bernardo going it did have a huge emotional aspect to it as well and I'm sure that affected everyone at the club.

When I saw the line up, I thought it was holiday time and didn't expect anything really. First half we did really well, but second half we gave up a bit and Villa were exceptional - they are a very good team when they get going.

Personally, I wasn't a fan of both teams doing the guard of honour - there's time for that after the game. Once it happened, the game had a 'testimonial' feel to it.

In a way, I'm glad this season is done. We need some fresh ideas and fresh blood to be honest. Hopefully the players can get some rest after the World Cup and come back without injury.
 
Really enjoyed being there yesterday to see off Pep, Johnny and Bernie.

We were good first half but lost our way in the second. Not important in the grand scheme of things and as ever the club, and the fans, made it a very deserved special day.

Very emotional scenes and feelings these past few days, can’t shake that sad feeling at the moment as we process the end of an era.

Fuck me, it’s hard seeing off a legend or legends every season.

Get the new gaffer in, a few signings over the summer and I’ll be ready come August to go again.
 
The game felt like a testimonial.

The sent offs felt like an extended crying wank. I shed tears several times. I'm glad it was sunny, as I had my sunglasses on to cover them up, so that I could maintain my image as a hard man! I looked around and loads of people were wiping away tears. It's bad enough sending off one legend, but three in one go was almost too much!

Onwards and upwards!
 
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Norbert D said:
I kind of disagree, Pep threw a team out who had never played together and had hardly any match fitness, his one last big favour to his favourite players was to give them the day off, his one last present to us the fans was an insult.

You can’t judge any of the players who Pep has said I don’t trust for most of the season to expect them to coalesce like magic. In fairness I thought most did ok until Villa stepped up a gear but that line up was never going to respond when they did.

I may be salty but I cannot accept that line up yesterday, it gave the media a good stick to beat us with and change the narrative to Arsenal won the title comfortably in the end, which they absolutely didn’t.
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You have almost counterd what you are saying .....

Pep didnt trust some of them for a reason....they aint good enough....

As i said to someone else..that game just reaffirmed what some fans hve been saying for a while...some of this squad aint good enough...nothing to do with that one game...it was just more evidence of what we already knew - remember Villa also didnt have a full strength team out and had been on the piss for two days before they played.

We have a decent core of players....but the squad lacks depth of quality beyond a starting 11 and I think there are improvements you can make even to the strongest starting 11 we could put out with everyone that is left and fit.

We have just lost the critical part in Pep however.....without him that squad at present and with bernardo leaving (Stones didnt really figure for two seasons) aint anywhere near good enough...not by a long way....there are at least 2-3 players that should never ever step foot on the pitch again in Reijnders, Rico Lewis and Sav. then there are questions around another one or two in Dias and Marmoush (especially as he just doesnt fit anywhere in the team if Haaland plays).....and unanswered issues around RAN (forward going he is decent - defensively a liability) and Nunes - can the next manager get the same out of him at fullback??
The he huge question of Rodri- anyone who watches him can see he is not the player he was prior to injury.....yes still one of the best but the downturn has started....just like with KDB it was there but others refused to acknowledge it


Im comfortable with all of this....I think we will be in the top 4 challenging....but the drop off is considerable....Pep was the key and now we need better players as any other manager aint going to be able to do what he did - think about it...he never ever had a proper left back after about the first 18 months for very long....any other manager turning Delph, Zinchenko, NOR into title winning left backs - no they aint.....

The new manager whoever he is, aint going to be able to polish some of these players who are not good enough - even Pep struggled in the last two years but this year somehow did it
 
Grassland Blue said:
What about Erling and Rodri?
You forgot to mention those two.....
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Neither of those two played....and I have mentioned Rodri elsewhere as a potential upcoming issue...not now but the planning needs to start for his replacement which we will need sooner rather than later....
 
dadnlad said:
i feel you're going to be disappointed there'll be no major rebuild its been already done
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I wont be disappointed as I can see what is coming.....its others that believe that we will be anywhere near as good as we were that will be disappointed.

Then again some would say we only need to be better than the next best team(s) - which is true....

But like Pep, Its not about the winning for me - its how you win...Id hate to win the title playing like Arsenal just have - dour football

If we are going to win it I want to win it playing good football.

It also depends on what you mean as major.....Anderson ticks a lot of boxes for starters and is key for me....

Selling some of those mentioned shouldnt be an issue either as we dont seem to mind selling at a loss at times. I think we are Anderson plus a couple of other very clever signings away from being complete.....but they need to be really top class at fullback and a wide attacker.

The interesting one for me is Victor Reis - last time I saw him he looked like Bambi on Ice but he has been getting rave reviews from his loan so bringing him back could hopefully solve another problem - he could compete with Dias with the main 3 centre haves being Guehi, Khusonov and Gvardiol...
 
simon23 said:
I did also say looking at other games throughout the season....there were a lot of similarities.

The main culprits could still be here next year: Sav, Reijnders especially, Dias and Rico Lewis to name four...there are others as well....what i said originally is that this game shows that again these players arent good enough.....thats based on evidence of this game and other games over the season......Unopopular I know but a significant number of the squad are nowhere near the levels required to push for the title next year when other teams are going to try and get stronger...

I think its inevitable we will slip back into the pack of 3-4 team competing for the title instead of being top dog.....I personally have no problem with it...its the end of anera and I dont thinkwe will even come cose to replicating what we did under Pep....however what we dont want to see is a signiifcant drop off to where we arent even competing which means with a lesser manager we are going to have to have higher quality players .....no other manager gets a tune ot of Nunes at fullback for instance.....or turns Stones froma top class defender into a CL MOTM hybrid midfielder......

I hope a lot of fans are ready as we wont see that dominance again unless we go out and get top class talent which the squad is sadly lacking in certain areas of the pitch and most notably in depth of squad as well
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Yeah I'm not reading that x
 
simon23 said:
You have almost counterd what you are saying .....

Pep didnt trust some of them for a reason....they aint good enough....

As i said to someone else..that game just reaffirmed what some fans hve been saying for a while...some of this squad aint good enough...nothing to do with that one game...it was just more evidence of what we already knew - remember Villa also didnt have a full strength team out and had been on the piss for two days before they played.

We have a decent core of players....but the squad lacks depth of quality beyond a starting 11 and I think there are improvements you can make even to the strongest starting 11 we could put out with everyone that is left and fit.

We have just lost the critical part in Pep however.....without him that squad at present and with bernardo leaving (Stones didnt really figure for two seasons) aint anywhere near good enough...not by a long way....there are at least 2-3 players that should never ever step foot on the pitch again in Reijnders, Rico Lewis and Sav. then there are questions around another one or two in Dias and Marmoush (especially as he just doesnt fit anywhere in the team if Haaland plays).....and unanswered issues around RAN (forward going he is decent - defensively a liability) and Nunes - can the next manager get the same out of him at fullback??
The he huge question of Rodri- anyone who watches him can see he is not the player he was prior to injury.....yes still one of the best but the downturn has started....just like with KDB it was there but others refused to acknowledge it


Im comfortable with all of this....I think we will be in the top 4 challenging....but the drop off is considerable....Pep was the key and now we need better players as any other manager aint going to be able to do what he did - think about it...he never ever had a proper left back after about the first 18 months for very long....any other manager turning Delph, Zinchenko, NOR into title winning left backs - no they aint.....

The new manager whoever he is, aint going to be able to polish some of these players who are not good enough - even Pep struggled in the last two years but this year somehow did it
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Your second sentence kind of some up the dichotomy the club now inherits. You say Pep didn’t trust certain players mainly listed in your large middle paragraph, however, he brought them in and more importantly they are mainly on VERY long contracts.

If they are as you infer a load of bums, I don’t see how we get rid of them without taking a huge loss, a loss that would probably put us in more PSR. trouble.
 
simon23 said:
I wont be disappointed as I can see what is coming.....its others that believe that we will be anywhere near as good as we were that will be disappointed.

Then again some would say we only need to be better than the next best team(s) - which is true....

But like Pep, Its not about the winning for me - its how you win...Id hate to win the title playing like Arsenal just have - dour football

If we are going to win it I want to win it playing good football.

It also depends on what you mean as major.....Anderson ticks a lot of boxes for starters and is key for me....

Selling some of those mentioned shouldnt be an issue either as we dont seem to mind selling at a loss at times. I think we are Anderson plus a couple of other very clever signings away from being complete.....but they need to be really top class at fullback and a wide attacker.

The interesting one for me is Victor Reis - last time I saw him he looked like Bambi on Ice but he has been getting rave reviews from his loan so bringing him back could hopefully solve another problem - he could compete with Dias with the main 3 centre haves being Guehi, Khusonov and Gvardiol...
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yeah ,need to be ruthless in our next transfers. No point of wasting 60-70 mil on players who are not world class and never will be. It´s time to go again for the best players and top talent, surely we have the budget for that and we can regroup some money by selling some of the dead weight.
 
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