I think the 1894 group do a great job. I am a FOC but I still sing most of the time. I’m in East Upper which has had great atmospheres for some matches. It still has a lot of Kippax regulars so it has its moments. Certainly it will be lively for Liverpool.I think it is more of a lap of appreciation, the chance for the players and staff to show appreciation for the support they have recieved, it's also a way of deepening the bond between the club fans.
The truth is you are never going to stop fans leaving earlier.
The Dortmund noise is just exactly that noise, they have very little idea what is going on on the pitch, it is manufactured rubbish.
The whole ground needs to join in with the 1894 group who are trying there best but to many just ain't arsed anymore about chanting or staying to aplaud the lads, a pint is much more important to some, traffic issues, whatever the excuse or reason it's there decision.
We are definetly the worst for it after greart displays, only a trophy lift is reason enough for the not to go early.
If you’re in the singing section then sing if you don't want to (which is up to you) inform the club and move, Embrace what we have and join in.
To be fair, this isn't quite true. AFAIK the first official singing block was 110/111 in the 2007/2008 season. It was advertised heavily by the club during the renewal period in Spring 2007. I was in block 117 at the time and didn't relocate but I distinctly remember me and my mates looking over enviously at the new singing section when the new season started and thinking how much better it was over there. So much so that all 3 of us relocated there for 2008/09. I think you were in there too mate as I remember seeing you in there against Aris with your megaphone ;)That's exactly the point I'm making about SSL1.
NSL2 will be exactly the same.
NSL2 Will be a home end in all but name. It won't be any different to SSL1. It certainly won't be better or more vocal than SSL1.(in my opinion)
What the majority of fans wanted and hoped for was a more vocal and atmospheric NSL2 home end. It isn't going to be that.
Just to clarify. Block 115 was the first official singing block with fans given the choice to relocate into it from other parts of the ground by the club to make a more vocal and atmospheric SSL1.
I'm in work ATM on my break, so I haven't got time to reply to all of your post ATM.
It wasn't mate.To be fair, this isn't quite true. AFAIK the first official singing block was 110/111 in the 2007/2008 season. It was advertised heavily by the club during the renewal period in Spring 2007. I was in block 117 at the time and didn't relocate but I distinctly remember me and my mates looking over enviously at the new singing section when the new season started and thinking how much better it was over there. So much so that all 3 of us relocated there for 2008/09. I think you were in there too mate as I remember seeing you in there against Aris with your megaphone ;)
The 114/115 singing section was a great idea in theory. With the new 3rd tier of the South Stand being opened it meant there was literally an empty section that could be filled with singers as it used to be the away end. We got enough names to fill it and relocate to there and the list went into the club. I must add at this stage that for those posters who think I do nothing but moan about the club that they played an absolute blinder on this and sorted all the relocations out with next to no hassle. They even accomodated my mate who was coming to the end of serving a 1 year ban and relocated him there for the new season.
Unfortunately - and I can't blame anyone for doing this - with SS3 opening at the same time, some of those singers who were initially going to relocate to 114/115 decided to relocate to SS3 instead as the prices were far cheaper. It was too late to throw the list back open to anyone else who wanted to go in SS1 so those spots vacated by those who chose to go in SS3 went to random fans who weren't necessarily singers. That said, it was still very good in the early years and it's still decent now on a good day but I do feel that the number of singers in there has gradually eroded over time.
I take your point that there were fans already in there and singers already in there but City definitely advertised that area as a singing block during the renewal period for the 2007/08 season. I'm sure I have the blurb somewhere as evidence ;)It wasn't mate.
110 & 111 were never official singing sections. They were the first proper blocks for singers, who migrated there to be next to the away fans. I used to stand 110. I relocated to 115 as it was made the 1st official singing section by the club. Of course I stand corrected on that. :-)
It's not negatives. It's opinions. NSL2 will work or it won't work. NSL2 will create noise and an atmosphere, but not to the extent that people wanted and hoped for. And yes, I could be completely wrong about that. Hopefully I am. I don't mind being proven wrong. Certainly about the new NSL2.
It all seems a bit complex doesn't it? If it's going to be a mix of STs/Flexis and match day tickets in the safe standing areas, we could do with knowing the breakdown. Also, how many STs/Flexis will be new ones and how many relocations? I think the first thing the club should be doing to gauge demand is to e-mail ST holders and members and ask them if they'd be interested in relocating to (if you're a ST holder elsewhere)/buying a new Flexi Gold or match day ticket in the safe standing section, and make the point that it will be an atmosphere section where fans will be standing and singing. That mail should be a piece of piss to knock up and send out. I appreciate it's difficult to do that in advance of any announcement on prices but it should be going out to everyone once the pricing is known.Diving in again quickly.
As has been posted before.
The new 4000 FG season tickets are 'stadium wide', not solely for NSL2. So how many of those new 4000 FG season tickets are going to be allocated to NSL2 by the club? Does it depend on the amount of current season ticket holders wanting to relocate from other parts of the ground? The club will then have to fill those empty seats in other parts of the ground after fans have relocated to NSL2.
From the OS.
And following further consultation with City Matters, we are pleased to confirm that we will release more than 4000 new Flexi Season Tickets stadium-wide ahead of the 2026/27 season.
Regarding the 3000 safe standing seats, and possible expansion to 4000 safe standing seats.
The wording states CAN(increase), not WILL, depending on demand.
As far as we know there won't be 3000 safe standing season tickets on NSL2. That will mean there will be safe standing match day tickets available on NSL2. Which could mean the demand for more than 3000 safe standing tickets on a regular match day basis will never be there, i.e. against the lesser teams and lesser games. If that is that case, which I'm not saying it will be, why are the club going to expand the safe standing section on NSL2 to 4000 safe standing seats, thus eating into an extra 1000 more profitable seats in the lower centre sections of NSL2?
If the club had made 3000 FG safe standing tickets available to the fans, and they had, sold out, the club could have then put another 1000 FG safe standing season tickets on sale. I think 4000 FG safe standing season tickets would have sold out.
From the OS .
As we shared last season, the expanded North Stand will include a minimum of 3,000 rail seats, but this can increase depending on demand.
How can the club guage the demand by a match to match basis with a mixture of season tickets and match day tickets? The only way is by the 3000 safe standing seats selling out for every home match. Once that happens the club will then have to create an additional 1000 safe standing seats, which will already be filled with season ticket holders who have relocated to the centre sections of NSL2. (5000 GA+ and GA seats)
They make a load of noise but its pre planned fake shiteGerman fans are on another lvl for sure.
Cost.It's the cost for me.
It all seems a bit complex doesn't it? If it's going to be a mix of STs/Flexis and match day tickets in the safe standing areas, we could do with knowing the breakdown. Also, how many STs/Flexis will be new ones and how many relocations? I think the first thing the club should be doing to gauge demand is to e-mail ST holders and members and ask them if they'd be interested in relocating to (if you're a ST holder elsewhere)/buying a new Flexi Gold or match day ticket in the safe standing section, and make the point that it will be an atmosphere section where fans will be standing and singing. That mail should be a piece of piss to knock up and send out. I appreciate it's difficult to do that in advance of any announcement on prices but it should be going out to everyone once the pricing is known.
I was one of those who relocated up there last night and I must say that this is the first I've heard of this. I didn't witness anything like that. Not saying it didn't happen but if it did it's out of order. What I will add is that when we originally got those seats ringfenced at the front of SS3, very few seats in that section had been sold. Anyone who was following the Dortmund ticket sales would've seen that even as late as last week there were still hundreds of seats available in each of 315, 316, 317, and 318. Fans intending on buying tickets in and around where the singing section was after we'd gotten some seats ringfenced should've been informed by the club that there would be a singing section there so it's a bit unfair to put that on 1894. That should be down to the club as their reach is far bigger than 1894's. The club have done this previously in the form of a simple message when you go online and buy a ticket, so maybe it was an oversight.That's because for some reason they decided to move to the front of 315 without any kind of consultation with the fans who already regularly sit in 315, or consideration for what that area is usually like.
It's not a standing area. For league games it's pretty much full of existing and long standing (therefore on the older side shall we say) season ticket holders, although for CL games it's probably 50/50 how many are there and how many aren't.
For context, in the other thread you are referring to, it is mentioned that a pensioner could not see the game due to the standers in front of them, and after asking them to sit down were met with a less than friendly response. That's not a group of fans trying to make the experience for those around them better, it comes across as a group of lads doing what they want to do and saying "fuck everyone else". It's bound to cause friction.
I remember that too. The first group of singers in that area called themselves "Blue Square" or something and the club tried to expand on that. It was one of their many bad decisions. There are maybe 800-1000 singers in that area who try hard but their songs don't really spread as they don't have other vocal fans in any director for them. If just those fans were connected to the other vocal fans it would make a big difference because there would be enough together to compete with 300 away fans singing at once.I take your point that there were fans already in there and singers already in there but City definitely advertised that area as a singing block during the renewal period for the 2007/08 season. I'm sure I have the blurb somewhere as evidence ;)
Great post...It's a negative opinion though mate. It's looking at under 1,000 seats within an area holding about 12,000 and letting those negatives convince you it's not going to work. I said on the other thread a couple of weeks ago, if we were moving into the Etihad for the first time you'd get some wanting to be near the away fans but knowing what we know regarding acoustics/split of singing sections you'd want to have a huge single tier under the roof in the North Stand. You've got away cup game level quantities of people in a single tier. Yes there might be some having a pint and a prawn sandwich and not joining their seats until late, but you'd barely notice and realistically in time people would want to sit in those areas either to be part of the atmosphere, and join in, or would want to go elsewhere so the club could relocate the GA+ to vacated parts of the SS if they needed to. Who knows. I wouldn't be writing it off just because of a few GA+ seats though.
I've seen people talk about the yellow wall and say you wouldn't see this there. But equally, Dortmund fans would turn this into a home end if the yellow wall didn't exist. We are where we are, this is the last chance and whilst I understand people being sceptical - I'm holding out hope the pricing is incentivised and it becomes what we need it to be.
111 was sparsely populated and advertised as the club as an official singing section and that is when it got popular.I take your point that there were fans already in there and singers already in there but City definitely advertised that area as a singing block during the renewal period for the 2007/08 season. I'm sure I have the blurb somewhere as evidence ;)
This is why my solution would be to offer incentivised cheap season tickets to the people in the existing safe standing areas first, before anyone else, with the option to move as groups.111 was sparsely populated and advertised as the club as an official singing section and that is when it got popular.
It was referred to as "the new singing section" in 2007/08. 110 and 109 then got more people in the following seasons as the Gene Kelly got full.
There was no audible singing from that section before it became the clubs first official singing section, but it was the start of the issues as people from the other side of SSL relocated their and it just diluted what was already present.
Obviously SSL3 was the real killer with lots of SS lower moving up for cheaper tickets. The NS upper expansion likely to dilute the atmosphere again, or just substitute it.
You'll laugh at this mate. Outside afterwards I came across a City fan and a Dortmund fan having a conversation. The Dortmund fan was pleasant enough but he was complaining that they were only allowed 1 drum and 1 megaphone in the away end and normally they have about 10 drums and loads of megaphones! Why they needed any more drums and megaphones is completely and utterly beyond me as it sounded like both were wired up to a speaker system FFS! Just as an example, we actually had our own megaphone in the SS3 singing section and even though I was stood next to the lad using it, I could hear the Dortmund megaphone far more despite that being about 80 fucking feet away right at the front of SS1!Ban the fucking drums. I got pulled up for over a minute for having a bloody sweet in my pocket trying to get into the south stand yesterday, yet 10-20ft away from my seat there's a guy with a megaphone and a massive fuck off drum that could perforate eardrums. Why is it 1 rule for them and another for us? You've got zero chance of creating any atmosphere when something that loud is pounding nonstop for the entire game and all those in the south stand can't even hear the person next to them nevermind a small pocket trying to start a song. Ban the drums and megaphone, make them create their atmosphere on their own and give us a bloody chance.
100%, absolute farce !!Ban the fucking drums. I got pulled up for over a minute for having a bloody sweet in my pocket trying to get into the south stand yesterday, yet 10-20ft away from my seat there's a guy with a megaphone and a massive fuck off drum that could perforate eardrums. Why is it 1 rule for them and another for us? You've got zero chance of creating any atmosphere when something that loud is pounding nonstop for the entire game and all those in the south stand can't even hear the person next to them nevermind a small pocket trying to start a song. Ban the drums and megaphone, make them create their atmosphere on their own and give us a bloody chance.
They make a load of noise but its pre planned fake shite
This is the post/thread where this is referenced: Post in thread '1894 Singing Section vs Borussia Dortmund' https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/...ion-vs-borussia-dortmund.369811/post-18736731I was one of those who relocated up there last night and I must say that this is the first I've heard of this. I didn't witness anything like that. Not saying it didn't happen but if it did it's out of order. What I will add is that when we originally got those seats ringfenced at the front of SS3, very few seats in that section had been sold. Anyone who was following the Dortmund ticket sales would've seen that even as late as last week there were still hundreds of seats available in each of 315, 316, 317, and 318. Fans intending on buying tickets in and around where the singing section was after we'd gotten some seats ringfenced should've been informed by the club that there would be a singing section there so it's a bit unfair to put that on 1894. That should be down to the club as their reach is far bigger than 1894's. The club have done this previously in the form of a simple message when you go online and buy a ticket, so maybe it was an oversight.
I will also point out that once it became clear early on that we were compromising the view of those fans who wanted to sit down and watch the match we all fucked off to the back of the stand so it's not like we were being arsey about it, apart from that one alleged comment from one fan of course.