Attacks in Paris

[daztrueblue91]

This is a war we cannot win by strength and violence alone.

We are fighting people who are not afraid to die and are not afraid to kill hundreds and thousands of innocent people in the process. Their strength comes by getting us to retaliate and giving them more followers. One loss of life for us hurts more than a thousand deaths for them. Hence why they are willing to risk 3 or 4 lives to kill 100+ of ours.

We need to show solidarity, humanism and strength in this situation. We need to bring ourselves (the nations, the people and the religions) closer together in the wake of these attacks not grow further apart. We will stop ISIS by stopping people becoming extremists. That is what we need to target not a revenge attack.

Some of the comments on here are exactly what they will want. Blaming Islam, turning it into the West Vs Islam, hence giving normal everyday hard working Muslims a reason to feel alienated in their own society and perhaps give them that chip on their shoulder to possibly join IS.

We need to accept that being a multicultural country means having an equal place for all religions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that on a whole Islam receives quite a lot of negative press in the media compared to other religions. Even on a small scale, people have commented on how the media report City's owners and would not dare say similar things about a Jewish owner. All of the small and snidey remarks cause friction between society.

You kill their leader and another one takes his place. You stop people joining their cause and their leader has no followers.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Are we sure Jason Manford stopped posting on here? Reads like it's straight off of BM. Facebook deleted it.

Love that, well done Jason.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

All done on islams day of prayer.

That's about as relevant as it being done on children in need day.
Tragic scenes still emerging in the media. Horrible to think of so many people going out for the evening and never making home to their families and loved ones again.

 

[foxy]

You have just been made to look like a fuckin barmpot with your last quote you had to edit, because it was bullshit. Give up you spineless hateful dick. Why all the hate for muslims? The usual right wing nutters will be out, trying political point scoring and spreading hate. Like the FN in France, the edl, nf etc. and you.over here.
Solidarity with the people of France, sympathy and solidarity to the families of the the people murdered.

Unlike yourself, I'm not going to be offensive or insulting, I attack ideas not posters on here. The event is sickening, unarmed innocent men women and children were out enjoying a concert.

I deleted the post as mentioned before, it was as soon I discovered it was fake. I could have highlight that as the attacks were happening Corbyn's old pals at "Stop the War" were suggesting how Muslims will be the real victim as attacks were still being carried out, to me that's extremely insensitive to the victims and victim's families, the Guardian are at it as we speak as well as wikileaks.

Yet I am ridiculed for suggesting partially the route cause was Merkel inviting the world to swarm Europe without any vetting in place which has caused tragic deaths of innocent men, women and children. I mentioned this at the time but was banned from the refugee thread.

 

[Scottyboi]

Solidarity has to be the social media's most used word lol has only been used recently.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I think in some cases we've gone beyond that now. We hide behind our "we're morally superior" stance and they take advantage of it time and time again. They know we won't react with violence. A smaller analogy would be the school bully punching you in the face whilst teacher is watching, but you refuse to fight back. But then the teacher does nothing to intervene, so the buly keeps punching. But you steadfastly refuse to fight back because "violence in wrong". Well whose left with the mangled face?

Our hand has been forced to react but it is ow we go about it that will be key, and I honestly believe that a unified effort by Muslim leaders and those in the "West", both catagorically defining these barbarians as having nothing to do with Islam, not identifiable with Islam and that both forces would join to eliminate the fuckers, leaves their whole "The West is targeting Islam! This is why we fight and why all Muslims should support us!" arguement hollow when you've got armed forces of Islamic nations siding with forces from non-Muslim nations. It gives a very different impression that Islam is being targeted when Muslims themselves are voluntarily joining in with the response, whatever that response may be.

Agree and that means our media and populations have to start to separate them from Islam and create that divide in everyone's minds. We have to divide them and separate them from Islam, we have to bomb their infrastructure we have to act against our allies to cut their funding. We have to show their ideology for what it is and we have to stop giving them propaganda opportunities. The west also has to work out what it wants in the Middle East and stop being best friends with some of the worst regimes whilst demonising others. Getting rid of reliance on oil would also help

 

[big blue balls]

Syrian passport found on one of the gunmen
So now it begins to unravel, wonder if he had a nice new shiny iphone and an orange life jacket in his back pack

 

[kippaxwarrior]

Looks like the England-France game will be cancelled

 

[Gelsons Dad]

There are a lot of posts here which try to either connect or disconnect Islamic Terrorism with general Muslim attitudes. What no one has done is justify their position. I would imagine the best way to make or break that connection would be to ask Muslims their views.
This of course has been done many times but I don't see anyone using that data to justify their position.

I would expect 100% of Muslims to reject Terrorist attacks as legitimate.

 

[big blue balls]

Why should they!? Most people already know this. Why should a peaceful muslim have to stand up and distance themselves from the actions of a relatively small number of people from the other side of the world practicing an entirely different branch of the religion? If your default position is that they condone it unless stating otherwise, then you're the one with the problem. If you have a problem with Muslims just own it, but don't come out with all this bullshit.

It's a moot point anyway. There are plenty of initiatives in the Islamic community that speak out about this kind of thing. Unfortunately they don't tend to cover it in the Sun or the Daily Mail or whatever shit rag you're getting your information from.

LOL