Attacks in Paris

We just have to let our security services continue to do a great job. Also any time a family member disappears to fight for Isis Etc we come down on that family and associates like a tonne of bricks to ensure the extremism cancer is not spreading. There should also be more policing of extremist mosques and use of the Internet. Harsher jail sentences for support of extremists and education programmes in Muslim schools.
Do you really believe in punishing family for the crimes of one member? Would you do the same to murderers, rapists and paedophiles?

Also as jail seems to be the main source of radicalisation and these gangs forming I think there needs to be some major reform there if we are going to put more inside.
 
I wish people who stop using the cop out of phases like far right or edl. Average working families are being impacted. People won't want to visit Paris, people want want to visit stadiums once one of ours is hit. As someone more elequant than me has put this rhetoric is equally as bad as nuking the bastads from those who don't think it through. Our way of life is starting to be impacted.
 
With people prepared to blow themselves up its a battle we cannot win.

I know people won't like to hear this but sooner or later we will have to address the fact that the underlying root of most of the worlds terrorist attacks, are done in the name of religion.
At some point peoples freedoms will be taken away or seriously curtailed in an effort to defeat extremists who murder and maim in the name of religion.
The price of freedom, towards Islam and the interpretations of it's teaching by some of its devotees, is becoming a price which is too high to pay.
 
Do you really believe in punishing family for the crimes of one member? Would you do the same to murderers, rapists and paedophiles?

If it reduces the chance of me being attacked yes I do. 100 percent. I am not saying punch them I am saying check check and double check by the way.

Also as jail seems to be the main source of radicalisation and these gangs forming I think there needs to be some major reform there if we are going to put more inside.

Yes I am fully aware of the amount of Muslim extremism in UK jails.
 
I wish people who stop using the cop out of phases like far right or edl. Average working families are being impacted. People won't want to visit Paris, people want want to visit stadiums once one of ours is hit. As someone more elequant than me has put this rhetoric is equally as bad as nuking the bastads from those who don't think it through. Our way of life is starting to be impacted.

It's a total cop out that allows them to shift the focus away from the obvious.

As I said, it's precisely this kind of cowardice from the centre left mainstream and the far left that is pushing more and more people towards the far right.
 
Something we need to do something about and surely there should not be an easier place to stop it! Apparently it's where much of the Hebdo attackers were radicalised

What are you suggesting? Don't send them to prison. We have to have a zero tolerance approach to extremism. Longer sentences and big brother monitoring. I am not going to post today because I will get banned. I am sick to death of the pc brigade.
 
I know people won't like to hear this but sooner or later we will have to address the fact that the underlying root of most of the worlds terrorist attacks, are done in the name of religion.
At some point peoples freedoms will be taken away or seriously curtailed in an effort to defeat extremists who murder and maim in the name of religion.
The price of freedom, towards Islam and the interpretations of it's teaching by some of its devotees, is becoming a price which is too high to pay.
Brevik killed nearly as many in the name of the white man, the right and Christianity do we punish them for that. We need in many ways do what Thatcher wanted to do for the IRA strip them of nationalism and Catholicism and make them what they are which is murderers. If we treated Terrorists as sociopaths, gangsters and criminals , didn't give them the moniker and fame they craved they would be treated as they are Religion is a great excuse when you are a sociopath or someone who thinks it's clever to kill an excuse that has been used for Millenia.
 
I know people won't like to hear this but sooner or later we will have to address the fact that the underlying root of most of the worlds terrorist attacks, are done in the name of religion.
At some point peoples freedoms will be taken away or seriously curtailed in an effort to defeat extremists who murder and maim in the name of religion.
The price of freedom, towards Islam and the interpretations of it's teaching by some of its devotees, is becoming a price which is too high to pay.
And you really think that further marginalisation would make things better? It was the saw argument that brought us interment in Nortern Ireland that turned out to be the best recruiting tool the IRA ever had
 
I was laughed at and called the usual nutjob/tin foil hat by the usual prix for posting on here (2years ago) that football stadiums were gonna be on the list, NOBODYS laughing now are they...coming to a stadium near you,soon.
 
What are you suggesting? Don't send them to prison. We have to have a zero tolerance approach to extremism. Longer sentences and big brother monitoring. I am not going to post today because I will get banned. I am sick to death of the pc brigade.
I am suggesting we make sure prison is not a training ground for them.

I am suggesting you don't send someone to prison for being a family member of a nut, if on the other hand they aided and abetted a crime then they should go to prison and do the time for the crime they aided and abetted. I don't object to harsh sentences for murderers and their supporters but I do object to someone being punished for their blood
 
Brevik killed nearly as many in the name of the white man, the right and Christianity do we punish them for that. We need in many ways do what Thatcher wanted to do for the IRA strip them of nationalism and Catholicism and make them what they are which is murderers. If we treated Terrorists as sociopaths, gangsters and criminals , didn't give them the moniker and fame they craved they would be treated as they are Religion is a great excuse when you are a sociopath or someone who thinks it's clever to kill an excuse that has been used for Millenia.

You're missing the fucking point. Crucially, as most of your ilk seem to.

Religion is central to what they did last night, fundamentally so.

You don't blow yourself up while praising your God without a belief in martyrdom, without a belief in religion.

Religion is at the very core of this issue, of this ideology, and it's about time people like you sat up and acknowledged it.
 
I was laughed at and called the usual nutjob/tin foil hat by the usual prix for posting on here (2years ago) that football stadiums were gonna be on the list, NOBODYS laughing now are they...coming to a stadium near you,soon.

Well done mate. Have a goldfish
 
What are you suggesting? Don't send them to prison. We have to have a zero tolerance approach to extremism. Longer sentences and big brother monitoring. I am not going to post today because I will get banned. I am sick to death of the pc brigade.

No offence mate, but I wish it was that easy! Firstly to combat extremism you have to try to understand it. There's a great book 'talking to terrorists' which is a detailed account by Jonathan Powell that explores intricately how complex issues with terrorism are and highlights a lot of effort that goes into a peaceful solution. Law and order and military action, statistically only brings peace in about 7 percent of cases. Now if you look at how long it took to broker peace with the IRA, who, ignoring their methods, have way more legitimacy in my mind than Isis. Which in turn, unfortunately, makes it even harder to combat. However the real evil out of the situation with Isis is if their ideology spreads to the disenfranchised Muslim youth in Europe. If that happens then we will have real problems! Targeting family members and friends of terrorists or supporters of terror will only make the situation ten times worse and play into the hands of Isis and the like.

So what is this the answer? Honestly I don't know. We have to strike at the heart of Isis but we also have to change our foreign policy because since 9/11 the world is a more dangerous place and we (the west) have to take some responsibility for the mess created.

Going forward it's imperative we educate young Muslims in this country and we make them feel part of Britain, a Britain the majority have been born into.
 
You're missing the fucking point. Crucially, as most of your ilk seem to.

Religion is central to what they did last night, fundamentally so.

You don't blow yourself up while praising your God without a belief in martyrdom, without a belief in religion.

Religion is at the very core of this issue, of this ideology, and it's about time people like you sat up and acknowledged it.
Of course religion has a part of it, just like religion had a part in much of the troubles, like religion had a major part of the KKK hanging blacks, like religion had a part in most of George W Bush and Rumsfelds politics, or justifies abortion clinic killers or Brevik or whoever No one denies that.

What I would argue is you don't attack a religion of hundreds of millions be it Catholicism, Islam or Baptist because a tiny minority of members twist the ideology and use it to kill. You have to show up the murderers for what they are murderers.
 

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