Attacks in Paris

This was an attack on liberalism, this was an attack on multiculturalism , an attack on tolerance, an attack on the young. Everything about the venues and the people was an attack on liberalism. They didn't attacks the wealthy, the colonial, the bigots or the right.

It is a horrible sad irony that so many individuals come on here to attack liberalism in the name of defeating people attacking liberalism.
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
Utter nonsense. The Quran is full of verses encouraging 'believers' to be violent towards non-believers.
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So is the bible ..... Which has been used to justify the deaths of tens of millions over the centuries. I don't give people who twist the bible any credence either
 
Ducado said:
I am afraid that so many people just seem to be reactionary rather than looking at the deeper issues involved there is no simple solution
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Of course ... Nor do they realise that by attacking liberalism they share a common cause with their enemy
 
carlosthejackal said:
The problem though is the perception that some liberals will never accept that the state needs to snoop on the general population , that cctv is essential etc etc . They claim that the threat from extremists is vastly exaggerated . Unfortunately last night proved them wrong . But to blame the whole of the Muslim faith and its followers is ridiculous . But that's what the extremists want , they want a civil war across the whole of Europe .
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Im confused, you say that "liberals" dont want the govt to snoop on them, but yet suggest that they advocate CCTV. Isnt CCTV another form of snooping?

Last night doesnt prove that the threat wasnt exagerrated, it just proves that there are nutters out there who will do their best to wreak havoc. As has been mentioned earlier, you're more likely to win the lottery than be killed in one of these "
 
EalingBlue2 said:
This was an attack on liberalism, this was an attack on multiculturalism , an attack on tolerance, an attack on the young. Everything about the venues and the people was an attack on liberalism. They didn't attacks the wealthy, the colonial, the bigots or the right.

It is a horrible sad irony that so many individuals come on here to attack liberalism in the name of defeating people attacking liberalism.
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I agree however multiculturalism in my opinion is part of the problem especially in France where more integration is desperately needed
 
EalingBlue2 said:
You go look for your simple solutions to complex problems and live in a simple world where goodies fight baddies at the OK corral and go home victorious, good luck you will need it in nearly every facet of life.
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And you just carry on burying your head in the sand and spouting utter drivel while people are being machine gunned, blown out of the air, beheaded, burned alive in cages, thrown off buildings, tied to pillars of ancient temples and blown up and every other manner of death that these maniacs can dream up because in your world everything is sweetness and light, it fucking isn't you cretin
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Of course ... Nor do they realise that by attacking liberalism they share a common cause with their enemy
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Stop patting each other on the back. I don't see many Christians blowing them selves up in European cities in the name of religion. So the point you keep repeating is not that relevant.
 
Ducado said:
I agree however multiculturalism in my opinion is part of the problem especially in France where more integration is desperately needed
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Wouldn't disagree and I think this is one reason that there has been very little US domestic terrorism. France is handicapped by not acknowledging much of the separatism exists as everyone is equal.
 
softlad said:
Im confused, you say that "liberals" dont want the govt to snoop on them, but yet suggest that they advocate CCTV. Isnt CCTV another form of snooping?

Last night doesnt prove that the threat wasnt exagerrated, it just proves that there are nutters out there who will do their best to wreak havoc. As has been mentioned earlier, you're more likely to win the lottery than be killed in one of these "
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It says they don't accept cctv and you honestly beleive that last nights events are not a sign of the size of the threat ?
 
worsleyweb said:
Stop patting each other on the back. I don't see many Christians blowing them selves up in European cities in the name of religion. So the point you keep repeating is not that relevant.
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Not now thankfully after murdering around the world for a millenia , Christianity has been through an enlightenment. Christians don't need to do it as Judao , Christian countries have enough drones , bombers, cruise missiles etc to do anything they need to do. But Brevik did something not dissimilar to protect white Christianity .

What point? The point that you defeat an enemy by fighting that enemy ? As opposed to fighting anyone who might look like that enemy , be related to that enemy or be near that enemy?
 
big blue balls said:
And you just carry on burying your head in the sand and spouting utter drivel while people are being machine gunned, blown out of the air, beheaded, burned alive in cages, thrown off buildings, tied to pillars of ancient temples and blown up and every other manner of death that these maniacs can dream up because in your world everything is sweetness and light, it fucking isn't you cretin
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no in my world we have an evil brutal enemy to defeat , to do that we need to understand that enemy, we need to isolate that enemy, we need to defeat the cause of that enemy and tackle it root and branch.

What is your easy simple solution ?

I would suggest from the posts on here I hate IsIS are far more my enemy as they are attacking liberal ideals , something you seem to also be doing.
 
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EalingBlue2 said:
Not now thankfully after murdering around the world for a millenia , Christianity has been through an enlightenment. Christians don't need to do it as Judao , Christian countries have enough drones , bombers, cruise missiles etc to do anything they need to do. But Brevik did something not dissimilar to protect white Christianity .

What point? The point that you defeat an enemy by fighting that enemy ? As opposed to fighting anyone who might look like that enemy , be related to that enemy or be near that enemy?
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Stop talking bollox. Go and paint a picture or something. At least you acknowledge that Christianity is enlightened when compared to Muslim extremists.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
This was an attack on liberalism, this was an attack on multiculturalism , an attack on tolerance, an attack on the young. Everything about the venues and the people was an attack on liberalism. They didn't attacks the wealthy, the colonial, the bigots or the right.

It is a horrible sad irony that so many individuals come on here to attack liberalism in the name of defeating people attacking liberalism.
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As you rightly say a key terrorist target is the multicultural society and those who also attack it from the prejudiced and intolerant perspective exhibited on here are their unwitting allies.
 
The best point I can make re the Christian whataboutism is that there are Christians in Gaza. Christian Palestinians/Arabs. They're a small minority but they are there.

Why has a Christian Arab from the Gaza Strip never blown themselves up on a bus in Israel?

They have just as much reason to hate Israel, and wish to fight Israel as the Sunni Muslim Arabs in Gaza.

Could it be because that religious doctrine and text can, and does, have real world consequences?

Religious belief can effect, and can influence, human behaviour?

Who'd have thought it.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Moronic comparisons once.

Of course said sectarianism added another poisonous layer to the conflict, but it wasn't a central tennant of why there was conflict and war. To suggest it was is dishonesty of the most contemptible kind.
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Of course sectarianism played a central part in what happened in Ireland. Yes, there was a political movement that believed in a united Ireland orior to the Troubles and there was an IRA. You're right in that respect. But the clear catalyst for the violence that broke out was the discrimination against the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland by the Protestants.

And it's actually a good analogy as there were two groups who were nominally Christian (in the same way that people talk about Muslims as a homogeneous entity) but actually could barely co-exist. The anti-Catholic rhetoric from the Protestant extremists like Paisley was horrifying. That wasn't political; it was pure religious hatred. That led to increasing violence between the two communities and the introduction of the Army to try to maintain order. Of course, the use of military force to solve a political & religious issue went the same way as it usually does and made things worse rather than better.

All the elements were there but it was sectarianism that lit the blue touch paper.
 
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