Everything you say is true, of course though it's much easier for the UK , being an island France has thousands of miles of borders and it seems some of these terrorists came over from Belgium. I think one of the consequences of these attacks and other problems could be the end of the Schengen block.Even if one of these murderers did come through Greece as a 'refugee' 6 weeks ago, its pretty irrelevant really, as this operation, 3 different team, with 3 very different targets, all co-ordinated to happen at pretty much the same time in one City, will have been months in the planning.
A few borders not being 'open' wouldn't have prevented it, the only thing that could have prevented it, is better intelligence. Its no coincidence that we have been free from a serious major attack since July 2005, because we woke up to the threat, and have taken it very seriously ever since. There's many here who think our security is over the top, but its that good, that we are far from an easy target, and people like this go for easy targets, as its easier to plan, and execute.
Not saying it couldn't happen here, it still could, but France is only 10 months since their last major attack, and presumably they tightened up considerably after that, yet they still saw France as an easy target, and planned an executed a near perfect operation, 3 separate team came together to do it. An attack here is much more likely to be a lone wolf lucky attack imho.
I was in Calais on Thursday, and was quite shocked by 2 things, firstly the size of the camp near the port where people, I won't call them refugees, or immigrants, are trying to get into the UK, its far bigger than I expected, it really is a tented City. The second thing that shocked me was the security that is now in place to prevent these people getting here, all paid for by the UK I imagine, its very impressive, from getting of the ferry, the fencing is tens of miles long, double, triple layered fencing, all high, all topped with razor wire, and yet we still can't stop them making it.
I don't think that terrorists like this need to hide with refugees to get here, they are well funded, and there are simpler methods to get here, than walking hundreds of miles, through many different countries, always at the risk of being detained.
It's a fact that many people just can't seem to get in to their heads, if it's not Religion it's some form of political belief
You've forgotten our resident spy, big blue ballsWhere has it said that?
The French justice minister or whatever he was in his press conference said 1 x Frenchman positively identified and 3 x Belgians as likely. Who is saying 2 immigrants - other than Farage?
What they need are "clean boots" i.e persons not known to the authorities people who can slip under the radar so to speak
Exactly, religion is the tool for ISIS, nationalism Was for fascism , or Marxism was for Stalin . People are about wealth & power and they use nationalism, religion, Marxism are tools to gain support and consolidate power. They are political tools
Where has it said that?
The French justice minister or whatever he was in his press conference said 1 x Frenchman positively identified and 3 x Belgians as likely. Who is saying 2 immigrants - other than Farage?
No one said it was not, but as my Israeli friend once said, no one gets up in the morning and says what a great life and prospects I have I think I will go and blow myself up, you can not untangle the the issuesIt's not a fact, it's an opinion.
And many of us disagree.
Religion is not an irrelevance to this discussion.
Just been scrolling through bluemoon looking for a thread as there were 40 innocent people killed by IS in Beruit during the week but I couldn't find one.
If anyone finds it let me know.
Of course it's true that there will be evil in every group of people, but the fact there may be doesn't justify doing nothing. Is that liberals as in the enemy of ISIS those who support the world ISIS oppose?It is a fact though that if you allow Muslims to enter the country a percentage of them will cause trouble, if the Middle East and North Africa is a hot bed of nutters allowing them access to Europe will bring problems, the liberals won't admit this because people deaths are less important than there ideology
Just said it on NewsnightThey you go again, misrepresenting the truth
They have said a Syrian passport has been found, none are reporting that they arrived through Greece on 5th October
Check the latest. Now two have been confirmed as coming through Greece as refugees.
Why don't you you start one rather than complaining about there not being one!Just been scrolling through bluemoon looking for a thread as there were 40 innocent people killed by IS in Beruit during the week but I couldn't find one.
If anyone finds it let me know.
Fascism was defeated when a large chunk of the world devoted the entire power of the states and their people every day for many years . It wasn't defeated either as a scourge of the far right still inhabits Europe waiting patiently to spread their hate and bring back the ideology that our grandparents fought.Jesus.
How was fascism defeated?
Europeans turned their backs on nationalism.
Not quite getting this are you?
I'm hoping this was an attempt at irony.Why don't you you start one rather than complaining about there not being one!
Just said it on Newsnight
Of course they do, but they won't be sneaking them in that way, the risk of them not getting to their target is too great.What they need are "clean boots" i.e persons not known to the authorities people who can slip under the radar so to speak
And just reprinted aboveJust said it on Newsnight