Aymeric Laporte

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if we are buying laporte and stones then one of mangala or otamendi is leaving along with martin. my guess would be mangala as nico is better with the ball and suits guardiola more.

i also think with us signing two defenders i get the feeling we are planning ahead just in case vinny has another injury hit season because as it is now it looks like his body cannot compete with playing three games a week.


it will be interesting to see where denayer fits in because if we bring in two central defenders denayer won't get a look in unless we have in mind him potentially coming in at right back.
 
Even if Kompany comes through the Euros unscathed, he'll be a late arrival back into training and will need to be treated with kid gloves at the start of the season. Laporte will not be ready for the start of the season. Would we throw Stones straight into the first team?
 
The fact the guy has broken his leg and dislocated his ankle, injuries he is yet to play again after surely makes this another big risk. Add in that he like mangala and otamendi will have to adjust to the prem makes me very nervous.
 
If we sign him and Stones then both Otty and Mangala need to go. Kompany and Denny will be fine.

Not that I'd sign Stones, if only because we know Everton will end up screwing £60 mill out of us and I hate clubs taking the piss and us drinking it down.
 
Taylor said:
I believe he took to Twitter to reject the transfer rumours.

Seems a strange move really.
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It could be the reason Athletic are notorious hard bargainers, and insist on the buying clubs meeting the desired buy out clause. Maybe we are trying to drive the price down resulting in Laporte covering his back should negotiations go tits up?
 
Lomas has a lob on said:
The price may seem steep but if Pep wants him, get him. After that shower of shit against Southampton Peps shopping list probably got a lot bigger.
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I think it showed us who is already off tbh and they know it. Their agents will already be made aware and hopefully will be moving their clients on ASAP.
 
Before we go and spend so much money, hopefully Ferran & Txiki will look at teams above us and learn from them.

Otamendi & Mangala cost more than the whole defenders of the teams above us.
 
2sheikhs said:
You may as well dismiss 90% of posts on here going by that logic.
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I do. Most of the posts in the transfer forum do not take into consideration that Pep is coming. People don't seem to understand how much his unique philosophy (and his unwavering commitment to it) will influence who we buy. For any other manager, spending 80 million pounds on Laporte and Stones might be madness...but for Pep, it just makes sense. I dearly hope the fans don't turn on him like they Germans did because he doesn't live up to what a manager in the PL is "supposed" to do.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
I do. Most of the posts in the transfer forum do not take into consideration that Pep is coming. People don't seem to understand how much his unique philosophy (and his unwavering commitment to it) will influence who we buy. For any other manager, spending 80 million pounds on Laporte and Stones might be madness...but for Pep, it just makes sense. I dearly hope the fans don't turn on him like they Germans did because he doesn't live up to what a manager in the PL is "supposed" to do.
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You mean we haven't stalked him for three years and appointed him so the FIFA 13 brigade can tell him who to buy and how to manage?????

Spot on - we simply can't take the (unique) Guardiola element out of transfers, formation(s), tactics or anything else. We've got him - at long last - let's just sit back and enjoy the ride. New players will come, some established players will go, academy products will come in and we stand on the cusp of something new and sensational in English football.
 
Anyone remember when Denayer walked away with young player of the year award (at CB) two seasons ago, then debuted for the senior Belgium national team at the same position (against France) to a standing ovation and man of the match award?

I understand how Gala has shifted him to RB to suit their needs, and I understand how posters here have shifted him to suit their needs (or impressions), but it's crazy to me that we're not considering Jason a viable 4th choice CB.

Martin is obviously going. If Pep put his foot down and insisted on one new CB, then it makes sense (despite the brutal financial implications) to take the hit on one of Mangala or Otamendi and support the new manager. Two new €50m CB's seems like mismanagement to me, though.
 
Also for what it's worth, I've read Pep Confidential along with a great deal of the rest of you, and he doesn't strike me as the kind of princess who cries over not getting two new CB's for €100m. On the contrary, everything in the book leans toward Pep figuring out how to get the best out of what's already there. Seems a shame that we're not looking at that as a possible recourse. Maybe some of these players can be coached.
 
Tron Coltrane said:
Anyone remember when Denayer walked away with young player of the year award (at CB) two seasons ago, then debuted for the senior Belgium national team at the same position (against France) to a standing ovation and man of the match award?

I understand how Gala has shifted him to RB to suit their needs, and I understand how posters here have shifted him to suit their needs (or impressions), but it's crazy to me that we're not considering Jason a viable 4th choice CB.

Martin is obviously going. If Pep put his foot down and insisted on one new CB, then it makes sense (despite the brutal financial implications) to take the hit on one of Mangala or Otamendi and support the new manager. Two new €50m CB's seems like mismanagement to me, though.
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Our needs starting in July is to have players that can play very fast, very attacking possession football in upwards of 3 positions. That to me makes Denayer very valuable. As to the other CBs. I think we can assume MDM is gone, but the rest who knows. If we buy Stones he certainly will play at CB but where else does Pep plan on playing him. What about Kompany? Is he a CB for Pep or is he a midfielder or is he sold this summer. This is another post that looks at Laporte and Stones without the context of Pep.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
Our needs starting in July is to have players that can play very fast, very attacking possession football in upwards of 3 positions. That to me makes Denayer very valuable. As to the other CBs. I think we can assume MDM is gone, but the rest who knows. If we buy Stones he certainly will play at CB but where else does Pep plan on playing him. What about Kompany? Is he a CB for Pep or is he a midfielder or is he sold this summer. This is another post that looks at Laporte and Stones without the context of Pep.
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Sorry if my two separate posts divorced my thoughts, but I very much have Pep in mind. I know how he likes to play, and I understand how he fields a team of multitaskers comfortable in possession.

I also read the part where he is passionate and adament about having a 16-18 man roster, and believes that anything beyond that is toxic to the dressing room. Given the the value of any new additions then -- in the sense that they are taking up one of those spots, rather than any kind of financial sense of the word -- I would hope that we spread some of the immediate needs (like both fullbacks, central midfield, etc.) around.

And like I said in my second original post, his passion is also coaching (rather than scouting) and he seems happy to work with what's in front of him. He never gives up on a player who hasn't given up on him, so maybe it's worth trying preseason with a couple of our prior, expensive CB's (plus Denayer) to see if the needs aren't met with one (rather than two) new addition.
 
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