Bad man management

squirtyflower said:
The team's playing well, things seem to be going ok, and then a player asks for contract discussions with four games left to go when he's got two years left on his original deal.

You have to ask yourself why didn't he wait till the close season, and why make it so public?

I know for sure my boss wouldn't be re-newing my contract with two years left on it, he would wait and see how I do first.

Yes, I agree. But my point is ... if going to your boss to extend your contract was really important to YOU, would you prefer to be encouraged by your boss, in relation to your desire for a new contract not your abilities, or would you be happy with "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on"

Man management, especially in football, can be as much about managing personalities and egos as performances. IMO Managing the personalities and the egos to get the best out them is something that Mark Hughes needs to improve particularly if we are going to be signing big name, big ego players in the Summer.
 
Smiffy said:
There's something been going on between Elano and Hughes since day one. Everyone knows how good Elano can be but you've got to ask yourself....Why has Elano come out and said he wants to stay with us now? Elano has sulked all season and not give a shit....be honest, everytime he comes over to take a corner he gets a great reception and Elano knows it gets on right Hughes tits....

In my opinion Elano has just said it to get a reaction from us city fans and add another reason why we should get rid of Hughes and strike another blow between us fans and Hughes. I don't agree with Hughes's tactics or substitutions but looking at the positives his buys have been good.

Everyone would love Elano to stay but at what cost? I think he'll be sold in summer regardless and if you look a bit deeper into how he has behaved at other clubs you'll see he's always had problems with management. You can tell he is a very vindictive footballer.

I know I'm new on here but in my opinion the best man manager in the world would struggle to keep Elano happy.....

Maybe a newby but your talking sense pal! It is a rarity on here though, just don't let them grind you down ;-)
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
squirtyflower said:
The team's playing well, things seem to be going ok, and then a player asks for contract discussions with four games left to go when he's got two years left on his original deal.

You have to ask yourself why didn't he wait till the close season, and why make it so public?

I know for sure my boss wouldn't be re-newing my contract with two years left on it, he would wait and see how I do first.

Yes, I agree. But my point is ... if going to your boss to extend your contract was really important to YOU, would you prefer to be encouraged by your boss, in relation to your desire for a new contract not your abilities, or would you be happy with "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on"

Man management, especially in football, can be as much about managing personalities and egos as performances. IMO Managing the personalities and the egos to get the best out them is something that Mark Hughes needs to improve particularly if we are going to be signing big name, big ego players in the Summer.


If we were neck deep in work, with the hols just round the corner, and I went to see him for a contract extension, knowing it could wait, I don't think he would be half as polite as to say "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on".

I'd be getting my P45 and be joining the out of work clowns queue sharpish.
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
squirtyflower said:
The team's playing well, things seem to be going ok, and then a player asks for contract discussions with four games left to go when he's got two years left on his original deal.

You have to ask yourself why didn't he wait till the close season, and why make it so public?

I know for sure my boss wouldn't be re-newing my contract with two years left on it, he would wait and see how I do first.

Yes, I agree. But my point is ... if going to your boss to extend your contract was really important to YOU, would you prefer to be encouraged by your boss, in relation to your desire for a new contract not your abilities, or would you be happy with "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on"

Man management, especially in football, can be as much about managing personalities and egos as performances. IMO Managing the personalities and the egos to get the best out them is something that Mark Hughes needs to improve particularly if we are going to be signing big name, big ego players in the Summer.

The difference will be though that these players will come in wanting to play for MH, and who MH likes so there shouldn't be much confrontation, I would assume before they sign it will be explained what playing for MH entails and if they do sign they will accept the conditions, unlike players already here who had it easy under sven and don't like hard work (some not all)
 
Smiffy said:
There's something been going on between Elano and Hughes since day one. Everyone knows how good Elano can be but you've got to ask yourself....Why has Elano come out and said he wants to stay with us now? Elano has sulked all season and not give a shit....be honest, everytime he comes over to take a corner he gets a great reception and Elano knows it gets on right Hughes tits....

In my opinion Elano has just said it to get a reaction from us city fans and add another reason why we should get rid of Hughes and strike another blow between us fans and Hughes. I don't agree with Hughes's tactics or substitutions but looking at the positives his buys have been good.

Everyone would love Elano to stay but at what cost? I think he'll be sold in summer regardless and if you look a bit deeper into how he has behaved at other clubs you'll see he's always had problems with management. You can tell he is a very vindictive footballer.

I know I'm new on here but in my opinion the best man manager in the world would struggle to keep Elano happy.....
In my opinion Elano has just said it to get a reaction from us city fans and add another reason why we should get rid of Hughes and strike another blow between us fans and Hughes.
Elano has just said it to get a reaction from us city fans and add another reason why we should get rid of Hughes and strike another blow between us fans and Hughes.
Don't tar us all with the same brush,you mean you, it doesn't apply to the vast majority of City fans,cheers.
 
The Cyber Goat said:
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
journolud said:
Zzzzz, this has been discussed but here we go again. Elano has two years left on his contract and has played well for the past few weeks and he has started talking up a new contract himself. Hughes has said he has other priorities but also added that Elano has shown recently what a quality player he is. Hughes shouldn't have to pander to Elano's emotional neediness in this instance. I'd love to see Elano stay at City by the way but only if he carries on playing as he has recently and not the sulky disinterested displays of earlier in the season. You could say that Hughes earlier indifference has brought the best out of Elano, in which case 10 out of ten for man management and the message to Elano is carry on working and don't go back to sulking. And we won't fall for emotional blackmail.

I disagree with you. Good man management stems from knowing how to motivate INDIVIDUALS. If you know what you're doing, you'll know that one style does NOT fit all.

Total bollocks IMO why does a guy on mega bucks playing 'where he is happy' with his 'best friend/brother' need motivation? Elano is the hughes out poster boy and this is just another poorly veiled hughes out thread! We have just won 3 on the spin played great in two of them, and you are simply looking for a reason to criticize the manager! Give it a rest pal if elano plays well it's elano the king if he plays shite (Which has been the majority let me remind you!) it's hughes to blame, where is the parity in this?

You're not in charge of people at work are you?
 
Cheesy said:
The Cyber Goat said:
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
journolud said:
Zzzzz, this has been discussed but here we go again. Elano has two years left on his contract and has played well for the past few weeks and he has started talking up a new contract himself. Hughes has said he has other priorities but also added that Elano has shown recently what a quality player he is. Hughes shouldn't have to pander to Elano's emotional neediness in this instance. I'd love to see Elano stay at City by the way but only if he carries on playing as he has recently and not the sulky disinterested displays of earlier in the season. You could say that Hughes earlier indifference has brought the best out of Elano, in which case 10 out of ten for man management and the message to Elano is carry on working and don't go back to sulking. And we won't fall for emotional blackmail.

I disagree with you. Good man management stems from knowing how to motivate INDIVIDUALS. If you know what you're doing, you'll know that one style does NOT fit all.

Total bollocks IMO why does a guy on mega bucks playing 'where he is happy' with his 'best friend/brother' need motivation? Elano is the hughes out poster boy and this is just another poorly veiled hughes out thread! We have just won 3 on the spin played great in two of them, and you are simply looking for a reason to criticize the manager! Give it a rest pal if elano plays well it's elano the king if he plays shite (Which has been the majority let me remind you!) it's hughes to blame, where is the parity in this?

You're not in charge of people at work are you?

Sure I am, theres the guy cleaning the floors, the guy cooking burgers and the guy taking BIgMac orders ;-)
 
squirtyflower said:
If we were neck deep in work, with the hols just round the corner, and I went to see him for a contract extension, knowing it could wait, I don't think he would be half as polite as to say "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on".

I'd be getting my P45 and be joining the out of work clowns queue sharpish.

Are you Elano by any chance?
 
The Cyber Goat said:
Cheesy said:
You're not in charge of people at work are you?

Sure I am, theres the guy cleaning the floors, the guy cooking burgers and the guy taking BIgMac orders ;-)

Fair do's :-) It's a decent answer :-)
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
squirtyflower said:
If we were neck deep in work, with the hols just round the corner, and I went to see him for a contract extension, knowing it could wait, I don't think he would be half as polite as to say "Look SquirtyFlower, I'm too busy with things far more important than your contract. Now go away and let me get on".

I'd be getting my P45 and be joining the out of work clowns queue sharpish.

Are you Elano by any chance?

No, just a clown doing his best and keeping his head down, until I'm the best, then I'll ask for a new contract, before they bring in funnier clowns.
 

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