BBC licence fee

joe123 said:
I would. Sounds like I'm in a minority on here but I think its great value for money. Think I only really regularly consume TMS and 6music, but there's some great documentaries, and other programmes. Am also happy that my licence fee contributes to programming that I don't personally enjoy but lots of others do. I know my one remaining grandparent listens to the radio a lot and whilst I imagine she's more of a radio 4 listener than 1extra, I think its great that it can provide so much for so many.
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I think it is probably unrivalled in being value for money.
 
joe123 said:
Guess it's down to people's tastes, and it's a fair enough statement that if you're not consuming something, you shouldn't pay. I'd be amazed if everyone who hates the BBC/Licence fee has absolutely nothing to do with BBC content tho. After Google and social networks, its the UKs most visited website, so it's a fair assumption a lot of us are interacting with the BBC to some degree.
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I’ve always seen it as a public service rather than thinking solely about what I personally either consume or would want to. At the same time, it has helped at times to broaden my interests, which wouldn’t happen as much in a subscription model.

I also think it does still have a role as an independent state broadcaster (that goes far wider than just our shores). I don’t agree with the perception of lack of impartiality, particularly in comparison to the potential greater influence commercial platforms bring.
 
waspish said:
The sport part is run like a commercial corporation with there click bait articles so that won’t change at all.
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So let them carry on in the clickbait commercial environment.

It shouldn't be funded by you or I if they want clicks, it should be funded by those who choose to subscribe and don't mind the ads that will fund it.
 
I get that people enjoy the BBC just as I enjoy Netflix but folk should not be enforced to pay for it, I very rarely listen to BBC radio and I don't watch it so why should I have to pay for it, it's 2020 people should be given the choice as they have with other popular broadcasters.
 
Bovril said:
I get that people enjoy the BBC just as I enjoy Netflix but folk should not be enforced to pay for it, I very rarely listen to BBC radio and I don't watch it so why should I have to pay for it, it's 2020 people should be given the choice as they have with other popular broadcasters.
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I get that people in the 70's were forced to have just 3/4 channels with limited options for personalisation, but as you say it's 2020 and people can personalise what entertainment methods and needs that they want and their choice is all that should matter.

Being forced to pay a 'licence fee', which is anything but (because whenever people talk about defending the licence fee, ITV is rarely if at all mentioned) in truth it's "pay for the BBC in order to enjoy the live TV you WANT to watch", and it's morally wrong.

If the BBC is considered as a "service", then what about ITV? Or UK TV? SKY? Its all excuses made to try and justify an outdated premise that no longer has any validity to endorse in a modern, digital, personalised world. It all boils down to "You can't watch live TV unless you pay for the BBC".
 
blueinsa said:
That's the left wing 6th form politics in you.

Meanwhile whilst doubling the guys salary you can pat everyone on the head and tell them how poor they are, how badly they get treated, how the wealth in society needs to be shared around equally, how its all so unfair that the wealth gap just keeps on growing.

Still, it was worth it, you got to call someone a gammon.

As your spokesperson in chief would say......arf!
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i think that is game set and match. lol
 
SamBlue said:
#DefEndBBC in my opinion.....as a naturalized Brit, I am of opinion BBC is one of the things that makes this country civilized and worth living in. Unless you are some right-wing, alt-right, deep-state-to-get-me loony...
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really, you will never make a brit, the bbc are despised by all apart from lefty nutters and inner city wierdos. a vote/referendum to keep the bbc publicly funded would be a bit one sided
 
As a teenager, growing up on a fairly grim council estate, my friends and I had our horizons expanded by the films, plays and drama series that we saw on the BBC back then. At school, the next day, we would discuss the merits of movies like Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, Herzog's Aguirre The Wrath of God , Lindsay Anderson's If...., I Claudius, Mike Leigh's Nuts in May, or the latest Dennis Potter offering. There was something good on pretty much all the time, in other words.

The BBC still manage this occasionally, with series like I May Destroy You and the stunning production of King Lear that was broadcast a while back.

I guess I am posting this to remind the politics junkies on here that the BBC isn’t necessarily just about news and current affairs.

I’m not sure that an argument founded on nostalgia and this last point is sufficient to make a case against privatisation, though. But it is worth noting.
 
thank fuck defundthebbc is a minority of brexit voting, blm hating, trump supporting, zenophobic, SKY pundit loving, "Dixie" wagon driving, new age-conservative voting, Boris **** suckers, allegedly

Just unsubscribe, dont pay dont watch, dont moan.

But stop telling everyone else they CANT watch it or that we should all do without the BBC and it's "politics". It's like dealing with nazis wanting everyone to think the same political hate thoughts they do, just defundyourselffrombbc for gods sake.

shit I am in for it after that
 
JULES said:
really, you will never make a brit, the bbc are despised by all apart from lefty nutters and inner city wierdos. a vote/referendum to keep the bbc publicly funded would be a bit one sided
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If the BBC is so left wing how come at the end of this parliament we will have had 15 years of a right wing government ?. Genuine question.
 
blueinsa said:
Time for an avowed socialist to explain the £Millions being spent on salaries?
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I am neither an 'avowed socialist' nor do I approve of the expenditure on salaries that has ignited some fresh debate in this thread.

However, I am an admirer of John Rawls, and his ideas have some relevance here.

Rawls (1921-2002), was a quiet, American university professor who wrote a book that changed the way people thought about fairness. It was called A Theory Of Justice and was the result of nearly 20 years of hard thinking. Unlike most books of this kind, though, it became a bestseller, and has been read by many lawyers, politicians and, of course, philosophers. So what made this book so popular?

At the heart of Rawls’s theory was the idea that we need to think clearly about how we live together and the ways in which the government influences our lives. For our existence to be bearable, we need to co-operate. But how?

Rawls’s stroke of genius was to come up with a thought experiment – he called it The Original Position – that makes allowances for the tendency of human beings to be selfish. His central idea is very simple: design a better society, but do it without knowing in advance what position in society you will eventually occupy. You don’t know whether you will be rich, poor, have a disability, be good looking, male, female, intelligent, unintelligent, talented or unskilled, homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or transgender. Rawls thought that you would collectively choose fairer rules in this situation because none of you would know what kind of person you might be and where you might end up.

Rawls controversially also believed that being a gifted athlete or a highly intelligent person did not automatically mean that you should get more money. This was because he thought that things like sporting ability and intelligence were a matter of luck. You don’t deserve more just because you are a fast runner or a great ball player, or if you are very bright. Being athletically talented or intelligent are gifts you mainly get from your genes.

Rawls also thought that wealth should be distributed more equally and more opportunities made available to the most disadvantaged. So if people receive different amounts of money, this is only allowed if it directly helps the worst off people in some way. A banker could only get 10,000 times more than the lowest-paid worker if the lowest-paid worker somehow benefited from this and received more money than they would have got if the banker was paid less. If Rawls was in charge, no one would earn huge bonuses unless the poorest also got more money as a result. Rawls thinks this is the kind of world reasonable people would choose if they didn’t know whether they would be rich or poor themselves.

I'll now leave it to the rest of you to ponder the implications of what you have just read.
 
JULES said:
really, you will never make a brit, the bbc are despised by all apart from lefty nutters and inner city wierdos. a vote/referendum to keep the bbc publicly funded would be a bit one sided
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I'd argue the only Issue I have with the BBC is their rolling news channel.

They educate and have the mandate to do specialist programming private funded channels wouldn't go near because it doesn't sell to advertiser's.




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BolinCell said:
If the BBC is so left wing how come at the end of this parliament we will have had 15 years of a right wing government ?. Genuine question.
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the bbc IS so left wing, (they dont even try to hide it ) . The bbc dont vote. the current tory party are hardly right wing, right of centre of course, but only just. The bbc is a great advert for the tory party without trying. The bbc is shyte.
 
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