Bellamy to the Dippers

mancity1 said:
Big Dave Watson said:
tonethestone said:
can see it, thats exactly what i put

I was talking about ALL the other teams not just the challengers. They will help accumulate points against evreryone else and be up our arses in the Prem table.

Don't worry big dave he will take out his golfing prowess on the likes of Steve and co this time around and Kenny will ship him out before too long and Ade is not much chop unless he gets decent service and clearly Modric no longer has the passion to play for Spurs.

Seriously you could argue that every player that moves to every club in this window will strenghten that club.

History shows this far from the case.

Bellamy and Ade were great for us at their peak no doubt but with every new manager that comes along players fall down the pecking order for all sorts of reasons.

Its time we realise they will no longer play for us again certainly not Bellamy
and certainly not Ade while Mancini is in charge.

As to where they go to that's not solely up to us unfortunately Dave.

While we have Carlos , Mario , Edin and Kun we are better off investing time and money in any forwards in the academy that are home grown and show promise that hopefully one day will be the next Carlos even more so.

Not sure I totally agree mate but a well reasoned response all the same. Cheers, and I hope you are right.
 
Big Dave Watson said:
mancity1 said:
Big Dave Watson said:
I was talking about ALL the other teams not just the challengers. They will help accumulate points against evreryone else and be up our arses in the Prem table.

Don't worry big dave he will take out his golfing prowess on the likes of Steve and co this time around and Kenny will ship him out before too long and Ade is not much chop unless he gets decent service and clearly Modric no longer has the passion to play for Spurs.

Seriously you could argue that every player that moves to every club in this window will strenghten that club.

History shows this far from the case.

Bellamy and Ade were great for us at their peak no doubt but with every new manager that comes along players fall down the pecking order for all sorts of reasons.

Its time we realise they will no longer play for us again certainly not Bellamy
and certainly not Ade while Mancini is in charge.

As to where they go to that's not solely up to us unfortunately Dave.

While we have Carlos , Mario , Edin and Kun we are better off investing time and money in any forwards in the academy that are home grown and show promise that hopefully one day will be the next Carlos even more so.

Not sure I totally agree mate but a well reasoned response all the same. Cheers, and I hope you are right.

end of day if we are still anxious about where our players are being sold we have not moved on, if we truly believe we are a team challenging for the title then doesn't matter where Ade & Bellers go because they are not top of the table players, if they were they would still be with City. Sorry to be brief earlier, had to nip out.
 
Big Dave Watson said:
mancity1 said:
Big Dave Watson said:
I was talking about ALL the other teams not just the challengers. They will help accumulate points against evreryone else and be up our arses in the Prem table.

Don't worry big dave he will take out his golfing prowess on the likes of Steve and co this time around and Kenny will ship him out before too long and Ade is not much chop unless he gets decent service and clearly Modric no longer has the passion to play for Spurs.

Seriously you could argue that every player that moves to every club in this window will strenghten that club.

History shows this far from the case.

Bellamy and Ade were great for us at their peak no doubt but with every new manager that comes along players fall down the pecking order for all sorts of reasons.

Its time we realise they will no longer play for us again certainly not Bellamy
and certainly not Ade while Mancini is in charge.

As to where they go to that's not solely up to us unfortunately Dave.

While we have Carlos , Mario , Edin and Kun we are better off investing time and money in any forwards in the academy that are home grown and show promise that hopefully one day will be the next Carlos even more so.

Not sure I totally agree mate but a well reasoned response all the same. Cheers, and I hope you are right.

So do I (LOL).

If we are to have the kind of sustained success that Manure have enjoyed we need to develop talent from the academy and put time and effort into young players that will be regulars in the first team for a number of years.

I have no doubt that if we fail in that regard we will not be challenging for honours year in year out like we all hope we will be.
 
TFC said:
Are they actually putting their hand in their pocket or is it another fooking loan deal?

Ofc not, this is city after all, the charity continues :(

But I hope he goes anyway, he won't even play with stubborn I can never be wrong mancini, so better get him off the wages.
 
Probably the best move for Craig, if it comes off. I was (still am, actually) a big fan of his, but it is obvious that we have moved on significantly, even in the year and a bit since we lost the CL play-off (in effect) game to Spurs and that Bellamy wouldn't get a game for us now. All I will say is to thank him for the part he played for us in the time he was here and to wish him good luck for the future (though not in a particular couple of games!). Also, a big thanks to him for absolutely terrifying camel-man in the 4-3 at the swamp. Wio was like a rabbit in the headlights that day!
 
tonethestone said:
just had this from a dipper on twitter;

Bellamy never did anything wrong at City and you know it!! Mancini just stubborn fucker

unreal what some thick f*ckers think.

And the only thing Bellamy ever did wrong when he was at 'pool before was forget to place a golf ball on a tee, and aim for it, when getting in some practice ;)
 
These players aren't title chasing standard and the teams they are going to aren't title chasing either. Unless you think the Dippers are, which I absolutely don't.
 
Big Dave Watson said:
mike channon´s windmill said:
Why would we do these coonts any favours? First Spuds now this! Disconcerting to say the least

Agreed, and not just from a money perspective. Just say for example he score a couple of vital goals to turn 1 point into 3 each time and I believe they will be up there at the end of the season. 4 points could be crucial.

Yeah imagine he hadnt spent a season in the Championship looking relativly average

Whats that you say....... he did, oh well thats okay
 
The facts are that Ade and Bellamy are back ups at best for us now and are not viewed by management as necessary to where we need to go and cannot play any role in assisting us from where we are right now to where we want to be.

Personally I think both players could still play a role for us but they have fallen out of favour big time with management at least with RM and when that happens there is no turning back.

You could view it as a weakness in his character and man management skill set but if we get the results I believe Mancini pays little regard to who or how as long as we get what he wants and what he believes the fans want and that is the premiership title and the Chumps League trophy in his tenure at the club.

No doubt he has his favourites and Bellamy and Ade push the envelope albeit in differing ways which Mancini finds it hard to tolerate.

Rightly or wrongly he rewards hard work on the training track and the right attitude in his eyes off the track.

Quality and skill and work ethic on match days run a close second.

I have no doubt that Bellamy's scrapes in night clubs have in part contributed to putting him in Mancini's sin bin and despite the shocking events that clearly had a major impact on Ade's life on and off the pitch something he has done or a series of events have meant a similar fate for Ade.

When you find out what makes Mancini tick you will understand why he manages and freezes out players in the manner he does.

No manager is perfect and all things to all players and you do need some flexibility and some players don't worry about who is in charge and whether they like them or not is irrelevant to them but some degree of mutual respect must exist of the relationship is doomed to fail and if Mancini is totally inflexible to the things that he will not tolerate at all times it will lead to his demise at some stage.
 
mancity1 said:
The facts are that Ade and Bellamy are back ups at best for us now and are not viewed by management as necessary to where we need to go and cannot play any role in assisting us from where we are right now to where we want to be.

Personally I think both players could still play a role for us but they have fallen out of favour big time with management at least with RM and when that happens there is no turning back.

You could view it as a weakness in his character and man management skill set but if we get the results I believe Mancini pays little regard to who or how as long as we get what he wants and what he believes the fans want and that is the premiership title and the Chumps League trophy in his tenure at the club.

No doubt he has his favourites and Bellamy and Ade push the envelope albeit in differing ways which Mancini finds it hard to tolerate.

Rightly or wrongly he rewards hard work on the training track and the right attitude in his eyes off the track.

Quality and skill and work ethic on match days run a close second.

I have no doubt that Bellamy's scrapes in night clubs have in part contributed to putting him in Mancini's sin bin and despite the shocking events that clearly had a major impact on Ade's life on and off the pitch something he has done or a series of events have meant a similar fate for Ade.

When you find out what makes Mancini tick you will understand why he manages and freezes out players in the manner he does.

No manager is perfect and all things to all players and you do need some flexibility and some players don't worry about who is in charge and whether they like them or not is irrelevant to them but some degree of mutual respect must exist of the relationship is doomed to fail and if Mancini is totally inflexible to the things that he will not tolerate at all times it will lead to his demise at some stage.



Managers' careers, like political ones, always end in failure. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be true to himself along the way.
 
mancity1 said:
The facts are that Ade and Bellamy are back ups at best for us now and are not viewed by management as necessary to where we need to go and cannot play any role in assisting us from where we are right now to where we want to be.

Personally I think both players could still play a role for us but they have fallen out of favour big time with management at least with RM and when that happens there is no turning back.

You could view it as a weakness in his character and man management skill set but if we get the results I believe Mancini pays little regard to who or how as long as we get what he wants and what he believes the fans want and that is the premiership title and the Chumps League trophy in his tenure at the club.

No doubt he has his favourites and Bellamy and Ade push the envelope albeit in differing ways which Mancini finds it hard to tolerate.

Rightly or wrongly he rewards hard work on the training track and the right attitude in his eyes off the track.

Quality and skill and work ethic on match days run a close second.

I have no doubt that Bellamy's scrapes in night clubs have in part contributed to putting him in Mancini's sin bin and despite the shocking events that clearly had a major impact on Ade's life on and off the pitch something he has done or a series of events have meant a similar fate for Ade.

When you find out what makes Mancini tick you will understand why he manages and freezes out players in the manner he does.

No manager is perfect and all things to all players and you do need some flexibility and some players don't worry about who is in charge and whether they like them or not is irrelevant to them but some degree of mutual respect must exist of the relationship is doomed to fail and if Mancini is totally inflexible to the things that he will not tolerate at all times it will lead to his demise at some stage.


Reading that reminded me so much of baconface, and how he dealt with transgressors such as McGrath, Whitreside and Sharpe.

No manager can be successful if he doesn't follow his vision.

He doesn't have to apologise for anything... he only needs to get results.

And, to date, he's way up on the deal...
 
Shaun_Goater said:
good player gone who plays for the shirt, good luck bellers
No he doesn't. He has proved lately that all he is interested in is money. Plain and simple - he's a greedy ****.....end off!
 
Soulboy said:
mancity1 said:
The facts are that Ade and Bellamy are back ups at best for us now and are not viewed by management as necessary to where we need to go and cannot play any role in assisting us from where we are right now to where we want to be.

Personally I think both players could still play a role for us but they have fallen out of favour big time with management at least with RM and when that happens there is no turning back.

You could view it as a weakness in his character and man management skill set but if we get the results I believe Mancini pays little regard to who or how as long as we get what he wants and what he believes the fans want and that is the premiership title and the Chumps League trophy in his tenure at the club.

No doubt he has his favourites and Bellamy and Ade push the envelope albeit in differing ways which Mancini finds it hard to tolerate.

Rightly or wrongly he rewards hard work on the training track and the right attitude in his eyes off the track.

Quality and skill and work ethic on match days run a close second.

I have no doubt that Bellamy's scrapes in night clubs have in part contributed to putting him in Mancini's sin bin and despite the shocking events that clearly had a major impact on Ade's life on and off the pitch something he has done or a series of events have meant a similar fate for Ade.

When you find out what makes Mancini tick you will understand why he manages and freezes out players in the manner he does.

No manager is perfect and all things to all players and you do need some flexibility and some players don't worry about who is in charge and whether they like them or not is irrelevant to them but some degree of mutual respect must exist of the relationship is doomed to fail and if Mancini is totally inflexible to the things that he will not tolerate at all times it will lead to his demise at some stage.


Reading that reminded me so much of baconface, and how he dealt with transgressors such as McGrath, Whitreside and Sharpe.

No manager can be successful if he doesn't follow his vision.

He doesn't have to apologise for anything... he only needs to get results.

And, to date, he's way up on the deal...

I have said as much in another post but I would like to know why his version of events with regards to the likes of Ade and Bellamy soulboy.

He doesn't need to apologise but perhaps he can explain to those supporters who are interested why these players are no longer part of the future.

The reason could be as simple as he believes they are not good enough anymore or a series of transgressions has made their place in the squad untenable.

Its strange because whenever it happens to a player in the AFL over here in oz its the first question the media asks the coach as they are known here and the coach has no hesitation in answering.

Of course whether you actually believe the coaches version of events is another matter but at least you get to hear his story.
 

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