BIGGER THEN MADIRD????

I love Ned. There are few players I want to see succeed more than him. Seems like a great lad and loves City.
 
jay_mcfc said:
No matter what we do we'll never be as big as Man U, Liverpool, Madrid, Barca, AC Milan, Juventus, Bayern etc etc. Their reputation has been built on decades of European succes. We're exactly like Chelsea, we may be able to afford to compete with these clubs on the playing field at some point but in terms of stature we'll always be looking in from the outside. It's nothing to be disappointed or ashamed about, it's just the truth.
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Oh dear - hope that ADUG have more positive approach than this.

Of course we could be, IF (and thats a huge if) we can achieve sustained success in the Premier League and European Cup over a 10 years+ period.

I realise that most people won't be expecting us to do this, but you've got to hope that it could possibly happen if the backing is there and we strike lucky and get/keep the right people .... keep the faith.
 
You're all crazy. OK so if City compete and challenge in the champions league over the next 5 years and win it maybe 3 times in that time that will still leave us miles behind. Over that 20 years all of the other clubs aren't just gonna disappear because City are here with their billions....we still can only have one squad of players and no matter how good that squad is there will be 4/5 other clubs every year capable of winning the champions league.

Just in our league for example we have to win the league another 16 times just to catch up with the most successfull club without them winning it again. Around Europe there are 8/9 clubs with prestigous histories who have been successfull throughout the last 50 years...successfull doesn't necessarilly mean winning trophies but competing year in year out with the very best. You can't just buy a history and stature. OK Chelsea have done a cracking job to be named in the same breath as these other clubs but deep down every real football fan knows they're very much small time when compared with the Europe's biggest clubs.

The only way we can be compared is if we compete regularly in the Champions league for the next 50 years and then we can look back and say 'yeah, we have the history and stature to be compared with the biggest and best in Europe' although by that time the likes of Bayern, AC, Juventus, Madrid, Barca etc will have 100 years of European history.

What makes me laugh though is that some of you with these grand visions for the club actually SUPPORT Hughes...now that is ironic!
 
Jesus christ can we not build a good team first and then discuss these matters. It's no wonder the rags say we are deluded.
 
jay_mcfc said:
You're all crazy. OK so if City compete and challenge in the champions league over the next 5 years and win it maybe 3 times in that time that will still leave us miles behind. Over that 20 years all of the other clubs aren't just gonna disappear because City are here with their billions....we still can only have one squad of players and no matter how good that squad is there will be 4/5 other clubs every year capable of winning the champions league.

Just in our league for example we have to win the league another 16 times just to catch up with the most successfull club without them winning it again. Around Europe there are 8/9 clubs with prestigous histories who have been successfull throughout the last 50 years...successfull doesn't necessarilly mean winning trophies but competing year in year out with the very best. You can't just buy a history and stature. OK Chelsea have done a cracking job to be named in the same breath as these other clubs but deep down every real football fan knows they're very much small time when compared with the Europe's biggest clubs.

The only way we can be compared is if we compete regularly in the Champions league for the next 50 years and then we can look back and say 'yeah, we have the history and stature to be compared with the biggest and best in Europe' although by that time the likes of Bayern, AC, Juventus, Madrid, Barca etc will have 100 years of European history.

What makes me laugh though is that some of you with these grand visions for the club actually SUPPORT Hughes...now that is ironic!
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I guess a lot depends on which context we're having this discussion within...

United won the EC in 68, and then again in 99....30 years without winning it....since then...they've won it once....

They won the league in 67, then again in 92....that's 25 years between titles...

They spent the 90's dominating the league through sheer spending power...and of course the "golden generation"....

Those are no doubt achievements that we haven't matched in that time....but to say that we will always be 50 years behind them is, well, a joke. It's shame you don't see that lad...

Oh, and the comment about Hughes at the end...ironic considering you're supposed to be a City fan, posting on a City messageboard, that the rags will always be bigger than us...
 
gatleyblue said:
Jesus christ can we not build a good team first and then discuss these matters. It's no wonder the rags say we are deluded.
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Great first post! Top notch...you managed to insult a bunch of City fans, compliment the rags on their perceptiveness, and did it under 50 words...

Welcome....RAG!
 
BillyShears said:
jay_mcfc said:
You're all crazy. OK so if City compete and challenge in the champions league over the next 5 years and win it maybe 3 times in that time that will still leave us miles behind. Over that 20 years all of the other clubs aren't just gonna disappear because City are here with their billions....we still can only have one squad of players and no matter how good that squad is there will be 4/5 other clubs every year capable of winning the champions league.

Just in our league for example we have to win the league another 16 times just to catch up with the most successfull club without them winning it again. Around Europe there are 8/9 clubs with prestigous histories who have been successfull throughout the last 50 years...successfull doesn't necessarilly mean winning trophies but competing year in year out with the very best. You can't just buy a history and stature. OK Chelsea have done a cracking job to be named in the same breath as these other clubs but deep down every real football fan knows they're very much small time when compared with the Europe's biggest clubs.

The only way we can be compared is if we compete regularly in the Champions league for the next 50 years and then we can look back and say 'yeah, we have the history and stature to be compared with the biggest and best in Europe' although by that time the likes of Bayern, AC, Juventus, Madrid, Barca etc will have 100 years of European history.

What makes me laugh though is that some of you with these grand visions for the club actually SUPPORT Hughes...now that is ironic!
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I guess a lot depends on which context we're having this discussion within...

United won the EC in 68, and then again in 99....30 years without winning it....since then...they've won it once....

They won the league in 67, then again in 92....that's 25 years between titles...

They spent the 90's dominating the league through sheer spending power...and of course the "golden generation"....

Those are no doubt achievements that we haven't matched in that time....but to say that we will always be 50 years behind them is, well, a joke. It's shame you don't see that lad...

Oh, and the comment about Hughes at the end...ironic considering you're supposed to be a City fan, posting on a City messageboard, that the rags will always be bigger than us...true or false is irrelevant...makes you either a WUM or a ****...i'll let others decide...

They won the league in
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Why does it matter which years they have been successful in? Every club has successful periods. Show me a club in english football that has been successful during every era....
Seriously, I love city but you lot are an emabarrasment. You make us sound so fucking jealous.

all of us would swap our history with United's and thats a fact.
 
gatleyblue said:
Why does it matter which years they have been successful in? Every club has successful periods. Show me a club in english football that has been successful during every era....
Seriously, I love city but you lot are an emabarrasment. You make us sound so fucking jealous.

all of us would swap our history with United's and thats a fact.
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Please explain to me where it is that I sound jealous? I was simply making the point that Jay insisted we would "never be as big as United" or words to that effect...and I pointed out that as "big" as they are, they are not 50 years ahead of us in league titles or European cups...

And that's with the added benefit of decades of revenue brought in off the back of a tragedy which should never have been, and never should be, used for marketing purposes...
 
gatleyblue said:
all of us would swap our history with United's and thats a fact.
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Actually its categorically not a fact as I certainly wouldnt ! Our past makes us what we are and there are parts of the Rags history that I would never want to be associated with.
 
I think that a few people who have posted are underestimating the power of money and being commercially sucessful in football nowadays. Yes of course we need to be competing and winning major tropheys but to say that we wont be as big as rags, madrid EVER is a bit naive. We at the moment are the richest club in the world, if say in 7-8 years we have won 3-4 league titles, 3-4 domestic cups and 1-2 european cups I think that we will have created "history" and have a legacy to build on and be extremely proud of.

Anyway Ajax, Marseille, Porto, Dortmund have all won the champions league within the last 20 years and not one of the are considered a "big club" The Ajax team imparticular was awesome but due to the league they play in and them not being able to compete with the larger more commercial leagues they are no longer remembered or seen as a "big club".

All im sayin is that we have so much money at our disposal that I rekon our legacy is going to built and in the next 10 years we will be considered one of the "elite" clubs in europe. Im 26 so I am loving every minute of it, just praying for champions league games, league titles and FA cup final days out.
 
Absolutely right.

And once we get our foot in the Champions League - it will snowball so quick. All the top drawer players will want to come and after that - their is no ceiling.

Everything is dependant on getting into the Champs League. And I think we will qualify for it next season. Just see what the summer transfers will be like then.
 
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