Bluemoon labour thread.

[salfordtrueblue]

Ah I see - sarcasm is so easily lost on here.

Ah well, ermm good stuff.

ps - Thatcher was what the country needed as the cancer of unions was strangling us and hampering the renaissance of our great country (the 70's really were dour times) - surely you can agree with that (I am guessing you wont).

you really are a sad excuse for a human being.
the country needed thatcher dont make me laff.
its people like you who have no idea how the majority of people in this country struggle more under a tory govt. you obviously think you are socially superior. but hey when the majority are educated to a level that thatcher and her ilk denied them, then the likes of you and other parasites will be dealt with properly.

quality, comrade !!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Ah, Scargill :-) I watched a documentary recently about the miners strike. Is it true that Scargill refused to ever actually call a national ballot on strike action?

Cheesy, there wasnt a national ballot,it was back in the day when if your president called you out,you headed the call,the notts scabs used it as an excuse to scab...but scabs will find excuses. Plain and simple and this was theres.

No probs mate. I've also heard more than one miner say that Scargill was as bad as Thatcher in some ways. What are your thoughts on this view? Genuinely interested as understandablt it's hard to get an unbiased view on this matter :-)

 

[Bill]

Ah I see - sarcasm is so easily lost on here.

Ah well, ermm good stuff.

ps - Thatcher was what the country needed as the cancer of unions was strangling us and hampering the renaissance of our great country (the 70's really were dour times) - surely you can agree with that (I am guessing you wont).

you really are a sad excuse for a human being.
the country needed thatcher dont make me laff.
its people like you who have no idea how the majority of people in this country struggle more under a tory govt. you obviously think you are socially superior. but hey when the majority are educated to a level that thatcher and her ilk denied them, then the likes of you and other parasites will be dealt with properly.

i loved maggie, i made loads of dosh, i did'nt care about anyone else.
i had a big house, new cars and that.

worked hard mind.

the parasites are the people who dont get off their backside and earn their corn, they want handouts, they think its their given even though they have paid fuck all in.

tory all the way for me.

 

[maineman]

its pretty simple, we are skint, the whole country is on its arse, had this been a tory government people would be calling for a change, its their right to do so.

its a little like the mark hughes situation, he had to go, it did'nt look like it was going to get any better. have we put the right man in charge? nobody knows, do we know brown is a useless lying piece of scum? fucking right we do.

change required.

just a shame maggie is'nt waiting in the wings, she would sort browns shit out.


p.s. can we cut out the name calling please, no need.

ah yes the world recession is all down to labour.
nothing to do with the tory paymasters the banks then?

 

[SWP's back]

Ah I see - sarcasm is so easily lost on here.

Ah well, ermm good stuff.

ps - Thatcher was what the country needed as the cancer of unions was strangling us and hampering the renaissance of our great country (the 70's really were dour times) - surely you can agree with that (I am guessing you wont).

you really are a sad excuse for a human being.
the country needed thatcher dont make me laff.
its people like you who have no idea how the majority of people in this country struggle more under a tory govt. you obviously think you are socially superior. but hey when the majority are educated to a level that thatcher and her ilk denied them, then the likes of you and other parasites will be dealt with properly.

As a self employed wealth creator, that has only ever paid into the system and never taken a paid benefit (except our fabulous education system - grammar school not private for me - I couldn't afford it), can you explain why you call me a 'parasite'? I am guessing you are unaware perhaps, of the meaning of the word.

Dealt with properly, it sounds ever so scary.

Maineman my arse!

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:39 pm --

Also, the manufacturing industries were as efficient as Stevenson's Rocket, refused to modernise without strikes and couldn't keep up with the changing world. So they died off (despite massive government subsidies) - a shame, but I certainly sleep at night.

/quote]


That is incorrect. There were many in my locality that were completely successful and were shafted by the cheap inferior goods that came from overseas. Marks and Spencers in particular were one that cancelled a contract with a thriving local company and the company went under with the loss of nearly 100 jobs. It wasn't done on the grounds of quality it was done for money.

And Marks have seen their standing as one of the most highly respected chains go downhill in recent years.

So you prefer paying more for itams from the supermarket then do you? Do you always buy British when you can - even if the price is dearer? Do you always go for quality above cost?

Also - M&S are on a massive rise over the past 10 years - just look at their shareprice now (also it is the largest UK clothing retailer in the UK and 43 rd biggest retailer in the world) - but don't let the truth get in the way of your anecodotal evidence.

 

[maineman]

you really are a sad excuse for a human being.
the country needed thatcher dont make me laff.
its people like you who have no idea how the majority of people in this country struggle more under a tory govt. you obviously think you are socially superior. but hey when the majority are educated to a level that thatcher and her ilk denied them, then the likes of you and other parasites will be dealt with properly.

As a self employed wealth creator, that has only ever paid into the system and never taken a paid benefit (except out fabulous education system - grammar school not private for me - I couldn't afford it), can you explain why you call me a 'parasite'? I am guessing you are unaware perhaps, of the meaning of the word.

Dealt with properly, it sounds ever so scary.

Maineman my arse!

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:39 pm --



So you prefer paying more for itams from the supermarket then do you? Do you always buy British when you can - even if the price is dearer? Do you always go for quality above cost?

Also - M&S are on a massive rise over the past 10 years - just look at their shareprice now (also it is the largest UK clothing retailer in the UK and 43 rd biggest retailer in the world) - but don't let the truth get in the way of your anecodotal evidence.

 

[SWP's back]

you really are a sad excuse for a human being.
the country needed thatcher dont make me laff.
its people like you who have no idea how the majority of people in this country struggle more under a tory govt. you obviously think you are socially superior. but hey when the majority are educated to a level that thatcher and her ilk denied them, then the likes of you and other parasites will be dealt with properly.

i loved maggie, i made loads of dosh, i did'nt care about anyone else.
i had a big house, new cars and that.

worked hard mind.

the parasites are the people who dont get off their backside and earn their corn, they want handouts, they think its their given even though they have paid fuck all in.

tory all the way for me.

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.<br /><br />-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm --<br /><br />

its pretty simple, we are skint, the whole country is on its arse, had this been a tory government people would be calling for a change, its their right to do so.

its a little like the mark hughes situation, he had to go, it did'nt look like it was going to get any better. have we put the right man in charge? nobody knows, do we know brown is a useless lying piece of scum? fucking right we do.

change required.

just a shame maggie is'nt waiting in the wings, she would sort browns shit out.


p.s. can we cut out the name calling please, no need.

ah yes the world recession is all down to labour.
nothing to do with the tory paymasters the banks then?

No - not UK banks. Their problems were a sympton rather than a cause.

 

[mackenzie]

i loved maggie, i made loads of dosh, i did'nt care about anyone else.
i had a big house, new cars and that.

worked hard mind.

the parasites are the people who dont get off their backside and earn their corn, they want handouts, they think its their given even though they have paid fuck all in.

tory all the way for me.

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.

It's Bill.

 

[SWP's back]

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.

It's Bill.

I don't know him in person to call him by his 1st name - that would be weird and he has never invited me to do so.

However, "Bob" De Niro is fine for me to say - surely?

 

[BTH]

Better than a wastful public sector (with far less efficiency and higher rates of absentee-ism) with gold rimmed pensions that the country cannot afford.

Apart from not answering the question, I see the old myth that the public sector is "wastful" {sic} has been dragged out again. I would like you to provide the source you used to demonstrate your assertion that the public sector is indeed "wastful": "with far less efficiency and higher rates of absentee-ism" if you don't mind...

I don't think the worldwide recession has got much to do with the public sector unless, of course, you know something that I don't know?

Perhaps you can tell me how (just off the top of my head) annually increased fares, filthy buses, a duopoly amongst operators and the fact that we are charged through the eyes and nose in North Manchester and Salford and forced to pay 35% more on fares than our counterparts in East and South Manchester when profits for First Bus were £130+ million although their drivers were offered a 0% pay rise somehow suggest a better model that placing public transport in the hands of local authorities.

While we are at it, name something that has been improved by moving from the public to the private sector. I can't think of anything. Private firms have to make a profit, meaning cuts in jobs or wages or cutting corners. But again, if you know different...

And as for 'gold-plated' pensions? Another Tory lie! At current figures the average is about£3,000 a year; hardly gold-plated. On top of that public employees (like myself) have to actually pay in (an oft-overlooked fact) and it is cheaper for the state in the long run that we do this via a well-run and high-performing pensions fund (Greater Manchester) rather than leaving the state to provide. You'll be interested to know that there are many pensions' schemes in the south that aren't so well managed in predominantly - would you believe it? - Tory-run councils.

Mate - I am a financial advisor and know the public sector pensions very well (NHS - Council - Teachers etc) and I can assure you and anyone else reading this that you are talking out of your arse. And to compare defined benefit (paying in 3-6%) to "defined contribution" or "money purchase schemes" is absolute bollocks. There is no contest.

So I am no longer going to bother talking to you. Enjoy the last month of Labour rule and hope to cling on to your public sector job (I really hope the Tories don't cut your no doubt very useful beaurocratic job).

Enjoy kiddo.[/quote]

Don't begin your sentences with the word "Mate". It's very irritating not to mention patronising, unless of course you're an Aussie in which case you won't be able to help it. Besides, I'm not your mate. "Financial advisor" eh? Well done and whoopy-do. I'm a public servant. But you're not alone with your lofty views although you might be with your breathtaking arrogance, but do remember this: your beloved private sector's not prepared to do all the jobs local authorities undertake, unless their fat-cat shareholders make a tidy sum. No, the money's not that great working for any local authority, but some of us, at least, believe we're doing the best we can for the good people of Manchester. Don't bother responding; your responses are selective, to say the least. You're probably too busy counting your cash. Vote Tory if you like, but do learn how to spell big words like "bureaucratic" if you want to show everyone how much cleverer than I you are, with your amazing job. You at least probably deserve them... mate.

 

[maineman]

i loved maggie, i made loads of dosh, i did'nt care about anyone else.
i had a big house, new cars and that.

worked hard mind.

the parasites are the people who dont get off their backside and earn their corn, they want handouts, they think its their given even though they have paid fuck all in.

tory all the way for me.

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm --

ah yes the world recession is all down to labour.
nothing to do with the tory paymasters the banks then?

No - not UK banks. Their problems were a sympton rather than a cause.

i think you will find that it was the banks more so the american banks that created and caused the recession,america the greatest capitalist country soon to be overtaken by communist china. but no doubt with your wealth creating parasitic mind BB2 you will say differently.

 

[SWP's back]

Apart from not answering the question, I see the old myth that the public sector is "wastful" {sic} has been dragged out again. I would like you to provide the source you used to demonstrate your assertion that the public sector is indeed "wastful": "with far less efficiency and higher rates of absentee-ism" if you don't mind...

I don't think the worldwide recession has got much to do with the public sector unless, of course, you know something that I don't know?

Perhaps you can tell me how (just off the top of my head) annually increased fares, filthy buses, a duopoly amongst operators and the fact that we are charged through the eyes and nose in North Manchester and Salford and forced to pay 35% more on fares than our counterparts in East and South Manchester when profits for First Bus were £130+ million although their drivers were offered a 0% pay rise somehow suggest a better model that placing public transport in the hands of local authorities.

While we are at it, name something that has been improved by moving from the public to the private sector. I can't think of anything. Private firms have to make a profit, meaning cuts in jobs or wages or cutting corners. But again, if you know different...

And as for 'gold-plated' pensions? Another Tory lie! At current figures the average is about£3,000 a year; hardly gold-plated. On top of that public employees (like myself) have to actually pay in (an oft-overlooked fact) and it is cheaper for the state in the long run that we do this via a well-run and high-performing pensions fund (Greater Manchester) rather than leaving the state to provide. You'll be interested to know that there are many pensions' schemes in the south that aren't so well managed in predominantly - would you believe it? - Tory-run councils.

Mate - I am a financial advisor and know the public sector pensions very well (NHS - Council - Teachers etc) and I can assure you and anyone else reading this that you are talking out of your arse. And to compare defined benefit (paying in 3-6%) to "defined contribution" or "money purchase schemes" is absolute bollocks. There is no contest.

So I am no longer going to bother talking to you. Enjoy the last month of Labour rule and hope to cling on to your public sector job (I really hope the Tories don't cut your no doubt very useful beaurocratic job).

Enjoy kiddo.

Don't your sentences with the word "Mate". It's very irritating, unless of course you're an Aussie in which case you won't be able to help it. Besides, I'm not your mate. "Financial Advisor" eh? Well, whoopy-do. I'm a public servant. No, the money's not that great but some of us, at least, believe we're doing the best we can for the good people of Manchester. Don't bother responding; your responses are selective, to say the least. You're probably too busy counting your cash. Vote Tory if you like, but do learn to spell big words like "bureaucratic" if you want to show everyone how much cleverer than I you are, with your amazing job. You at least probably deserve them... mate.[/quote]


You are right - you are not my mate. Thank goodness for that.

As for my selective answering - I see you totally dropped out of the pensions chat, knowing full well that you were out of your depth. Well, thanks for that.

I will vote Tory - I have put up with 13 years of lies, extra taxation and the formation of a nanny state. Luckily, we live in a democracy (which really pisses off some posters in here as they only want one party to ever be given a chance) and it looks as though the majority will vote the way I am hoping they will.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:59 pm --

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm --




No - not UK banks. Their problems were a sympton rather than a cause.

i think you will find that it was the banks more so the american banks that created and caused the recession,america the greatest capitalist country soon to be overtaken by communist china. but no doubt with your wealth creating parasitic mind BB2 you will say differently

You are right about the US banks (but they are hardly Tory paymasters which is the point I was making).

Communist China? The only thing red about China is the flag. It will no doubt outstrip the USA but then again, it has 4 times the population, no minimum wage, health and safety exectutive and you would be arrested for even thinking of setting up a trade union. Other than that, good point well made (it certainly made me want to vote Labour).

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:01 pm --

MAINEMAN - I have just read your update. No - I am not a loan shark - I deal strictly in investment & pensions.

So I do not loan anyone any money. I do help those that wish to save for the future though.

I think you have a rather simplistic view of the world. Maybe when you grow up... Or even earn a bit of money and need advice on where best to put it. I take it the only advice you get at present is from the Ocean Finance adverts?

 

[BTH]

Mate - I am a financial advisor and know the public sector pensions very well (NHS - Council - Teachers etc) and I can assure you and anyone else reading this that you are talking out of your arse. And to compare defined benefit (paying in 3-6%) to "defined contribution" or "money purchase schemes" is absolute bollocks. There is no contest.

So I am no longer going to bother talking to you. Enjoy the last month of Labour rule and hope to cling on to your public sector job (I really hope the Tories don't cut your no doubt very useful beaurocratic job).

Enjoy kiddo.

Don't your sentences with the word "Mate". It's very irritating, unless of course you're an Aussie in which case you won't be able to help it. Besides, I'm not your mate. "Financial Advisor" eh? Well, whoopy-do. I'm a public servant. No, the money's not that great but some of us, at least, believe we're doing the best we can for the good people of Manchester. Don't bother responding; your responses are selective, to say the least. You're probably too busy counting your cash. Vote Tory if you like, but do learn to spell big words like "bureaucratic" if you want to show everyone how much cleverer than I you are, with your amazing job. You at least probably deserve them... mate.

You are right - you are not my mate. Thank goodness for that.

As for my selective answering - I see you totally dropped out of the pensions chat, knowing full well that you were out of your depth. Well, thanks for that.

I will vote Tory - I have put up with 13 years of lies, extra taxation and the formation of a nanny state. Luckily, we live in a democracy (which really pisses off some posters in here as they only want one party to ever be given a chance) and it looks as though the majority will vote the way I am hoping they will.[/quote]

I thought I told you not to bother responding. Just couldn't help it though, could you? I also see that you didn't bother taking me up on any of my other points (eg. public transport - still a biggy for the plebiscite), just the one you thought you knew about. I can't be bothered responding TBH and thus extending the Tory media's "gold-plated" pensions' myth, for that is what it is. I also see you're speaking for others on here too rather than just yourself. Since you're bigging yourself up so much and you do, after all, have such an amazing 'beancounter' job, then instead of insulting public sector wokers with your derogatory comments, perhaps you can tell us all how much you think ex-Council workers' so called- "gold-plated" pensions are really worth PA, eh mate?

 

[maineman]

Mate - I am a financial advisor and know the public sector pensions very well (NHS - Council - Teachers etc) and I can assure you and anyone else reading this that you are talking out of your arse. And to compare defined benefit (paying in 3-6%) to "defined contribution" or "money purchase schemes" is absolute bollocks. There is no contest.

So I am no longer going to bother talking to you. Enjoy the last month of Labour rule and hope to cling on to your public sector job (I really hope the Tories don't cut your no doubt very useful beaurocratic job).

Enjoy kiddo.

Don't your sentences with the word "Mate". It's very irritating, unless of course you're an Aussie in which case you won't be able to help it. Besides, I'm not your mate. "Financial Advisor" eh? Well, whoopy-do. I'm a public servant. No, the money's not that great but some of us, at least, believe we're doing the best we can for the good people of Manchester. Don't bother responding; your responses are selective, to say the least. You're probably too busy counting your cash. Vote Tory if you like, but do learn to spell big words like "bureaucratic" if you want to show everyone how much cleverer than I you are, with your amazing job. You at least probably deserve them... mate.

You are right - you are not my mate. Thank goodness for that.

As for my selective answering - I see you totally dropped out of the pensions chat, knowing full well that you were out of your depth. Well, thanks for that.

I will vote Tory - I have put up with 13 years of lies, extra taxation and the formation of a nanny state. Luckily, we live in a democracy (which really pisses off some posters in here as they only want one party to ever be given a chance) and it looks as though the majority will vote the way I am hoping they will.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:59 pm --

Very well said Bob.

But you tend to find they go against that as those that get hand outs do not like the idea of them stopping.

Becareful though, maineman would have you "dealt with" if he had his own way.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm --




No - not UK banks. Their problems were a sympton rather than a cause.

i think you will find that it was the banks more so the american banks that created and caused the recession,america the greatest capitalist country soon to be overtaken by communist china. but no doubt with your wealth creating parasitic mind BB2 you will say differently

You are right about the US banks (but they are hardly Tory paymasters which is the point I was making).

Communist China? The only thing red about China is the flag. It will no doubt outstrip the USA but then again, it has 4 times the population, no minimum wage, health and safety exectutive and you would be arrested for even thinking of setting up a trade union. Other than that, good point well made (it certainly made me want to vote Labour).

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:01 pm --

MAINEMAN - I have just read your update. No - I am not a loan shark - I deal strictly in investment & pensions.

So I do not loan anyone any money. I do help those that wish to save for the future though.

I think you have a rather simplistic view of the world. Maybe when you grow up...[/quote]nice dodge about the uk banks involvement, if anyone had half a brain they would never vote the tory parasites in. people like you make me sick you would only be happy if everyone went back to the dark ages ie kids working with no schooling workers working 70+ hours a week, thats why trade unions excist to stop twats like you growing even fatter and richer. but hey in your little capitalist mind exploitation is perfecly ok so carry on preaching your vile right wing shite.

 

[Anonymous]

Keep this civil please folks.

 

[maineman]

Keep this civil please folks.

i will try cheesey. but i dont like patronising twerps like this idiot SWP

 

[BTH]

Keep this civil please folks.

i will try cheesey. but i dont like patronising twerps like this idiot SWP

Me neither; typical Tory.

 

[maineman]

i will try cheesey. but i dont like patronising twerps like this idiot SWP

Me neither; typical Tory.

agreed mate

 

[crizack]

i think your all sheep. "it's a democratic society", "we're civil", "blah blah blah". what was democratic about us joining the EU, speed cameras, THE BUDGET! you all sit there thinking you have some moral duty to 'vote' for who you wish to make your zainy little excistences that little bit more liveable. I don't vote and i couldn't give a shit if some woman threw herself infront of a horse. the winning party does not and will never care for the individual, parties are elected by the majority, then for another couple of years the minority ring up shitty breakfast shows whining about how the government is useless.

When there is a party who can truly bring peace, loyalty and health to this country, then i will vote for them. you turn up to the balots in flocks and in secrecy thinking your having an input into how society is run. Regardless who get's voted in, your still gonna work for pittence up until your bones are withered and baney. so run along little sheeps, have your say! have an input! do the right thing! i'll just sit back, accept i'm born into a country which dominates a person until they die and accept also that when i hear of some mp's spending tax-payers money on garden furniture or 50" dildos, it'll be the majority of this countries twisted citizens who have put them in that position in the first place.

good night.

 

[BTH]

i think your all sheep. "it's a democratic society", "we're civil", "blah blah blah". what was democratic about us joining the EU, speed cameras, THE BUDGET! you all sit there thinking you have some moral duty to 'vote' for who you wish to make your zainy little excistences that little bit more liveable. I don't vote and i couldn't give a shit if some woman threw herself infront of a horse. the winning party does not and will never care for the individual, parties are elected by the majority, then for another couple of years the minority ring up shitty breakfast shows whining about how the government is useless.

When there is a party who can truly bring peace, loyalty and health to this country, then i will vote for them. you turn up to the balots in flocks and in secrecy thinking your having an input into how society is run. Regardless who get's voted in, your still gonna work for pittence up until your bones are withered and baney. so run along little sheeps, have your say! have an input! do the right thing! i'll just sit back, accept i'm born into a country which dominates a person until they die and accept also that when i hear of some mp's spending tax-payers money on garden furniture or 50" dildos, it'll be the majority of this countries twisted citizens who have put them in that position in the first place.

good night.

Just plain wrong.

The government is formed by the party with the most seats and, because of our voting system, the party with the most seats is not necessarily the one with the most votes. Therefore, it is more likely to be the case that the minority of voters actually voted the government in because the majority either voted for another party or didn't bother voting at all. Why, a bit like yourself!