Boris Johnson admitted to hospital - now discharged

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I'm hoping Bluemoon can remain a nice place to visit. It is going off tonight on all the sites I would usually visit. Like others have said, why can't people just be good for a bit without having to be vicious?
It has to be said too that people can state an innocent fact and others take it the wrong way and react in an irrational manner to draw up a fuss that isn’t needed as much as the bad posts aren’t needed.
 
a virologist on telly the other day said they mostly get weaker when they mutate.cant remember which expert it was but deffo heard him explain how they evolve
They indeed usually do get milder as they mutate, as there’s nothing in it for the virus if it kills everyone it meets and it dies out very quickly. Flu is a good example, as it infects millions of people every year but ‘only’ kills 0.1% of those people infected. From the viruses point of view, that’s an almost perfect result.
 
kin hell heres Laura Sneery Kuenesburg to get her sneery voice on bbc news
 
That's your body fighting it, but the virus winning by creating more of itself, it's not mutation, it's (bad) progress of an infection, many other infections do the same.

Mutation is when a virus starts off with certain characteristics, then develops new ones down the line, that your body has no resilience to.

I understand all that,& as I posted in another antibiotic are coming less effective are there have mutated stronger
 
To be truthful I don't think anyone got a clue yet & that includes the so called experts
Yet some say you catch it recover & it comes back even worst so if that's not mutate was is then..
you don't recover,you just feel a little better for a day maybe then it hits you again and it is a perfect storm of inflammation and immune system response,with this virus your immune system can work against you at this point,i will find something that explains it better,it gives you viral pneumonia which is where your lungs get sticky and cant enough air in and out,i was lucky that the nebuliser,steroids and inhalers,antibiotics that i had twice two or three nights apart was enough for me,at this point you can move to bacterial pneumonia which you can treat with antibiotics,the viral pneumonia you cant
 
Yeah, that’s my thoughts on it too. Even on his tweet, I think was yesterday, he didn’t look great but he certainly didn’t look like he was 24hours from intensive care.

Fucking scary shit.
It bloody is scary. I pray Boris can pull through.
 
They indeed usually do get milder as they mutate, as there’s nothing in it for the virus if it kills everyone it meets and it dies out very quickly. Flu is a good example, as it infects millions of people every year but ‘only’ kills 0.1% of those people infected. From the viruses point of view, that’s an almost perfect result.
I know you were using a figure of speech, and this is probably annoying as you probably didn’t mean literally die out, but viruses aren’t alive (unlike bacterium) so they can’t die out. They just can’t continue to infect people if they get round everyone.
 
That's your body fighting it, but the virus winning by creating more of itself, it's not mutation, it's (bad) progress of an infection, many other infections do the same.

Mutation is when a virus starts off with certain characteristics, then develops new ones down the line, that your body has no resilience to.
This particular virus seems to be absolutely fine, as long as it stays as an upper respiratory tract infection. The problems arise once it goes down into the lungs and starts affecting the alveoli, thus compromising the oxygen exchange system, which can then lead to pneumonia and associated complications. That is still well recoverable though, provided that it doesn’t start an over-exaggerated immune response, which would be catastrophic.
 
I understand all that,& as I posted in another antibiotic are coming less effective are there have mutated stronger
Was just pointing out that currently there is little evidence this virus mutates, it doesn't have to, there is no treatment currently.

My point was about this virus, others do mutate, but its not what causes people with this one to get more seriously ill.
 
you don't recover,you just feel a little better for a day maybe then it hits you again and it is a perfect storm of inflammation and immune system response,with this virus your immune system can work against you at this point,i will find something that explains it better,it gives you viral pneumonia which is where your lungs get sticky and cant enough air in and out,i was lucky that the nebuliser,steroids and inhalers,antibiotics that i had twice two or three nights apart was enough for me,at this point you can move to bacterial pneumonia which you can treat with antibiotics,the viral pneumonia you cant

I've had pneumonia twice so I full a where
How bad that can be
 
I know you were using a figure of speech, and this is probably annoying as you probably didn’t mean literally die out, but viruses aren’t alive (unlike bacterium) so they can’t die out. They just can’t continue to infect people if they get round everyone.
Quite right. As you say, they’re never actually alive and I should have used the phrase ‘remain viable’, not dying out.
 
This particular virus seems to be absolutely fine, as long as it stays as an upper respiratory tract infection. The problems arise once it goes down into the lungs and starts affecting the alveoli, thus compromising the oxygen exchange system, which can then lead to pneumonia and associated complications. That is still well recoverable though, provided that it doesn’t start an over-exaggerated immune response, which would be catastrophic.
once that exaggerated immune response has kicked in can it shut itself down when damage to the organs starts or is it totaly out of controll
 
This particular virus seems to be absolutely fine, as long as it stays as an upper respiratory tract infection. The problems arise once it goes down into the lungs and starts affecting the alveoli, thus compromising the oxygen exchange system, which can then lead to pneumonia and associated complications. That is still well recoverable though, provided that it doesn’t start an over-exaggerated immune response, which would be catastrophic.
my lung cillia doesn't feel anywhere near recovered yet five weeks on and i had perfect lungs
 
Was just pointing out that currently there is little evidence this virus mutates, it doesn't have to, there is no treatment currently.

My point was about this virus, others do mutate, but its not what causes people with this one to get more seriously ill.

I understand what your saying mate..
 
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