Bulger Murderer sent back to clink

[Swales lives]

At what age should a child be held accountable for murder?

Serious child to child brutality is not nearly as rare as some of you seem to believe.

This is right. I know a few social workers and some child protection people in Mcr. Some of the stories I've heard are not too far removed from the Bulger murder and that horrible crime by the those evil little twats in Doncaster.

I know of a very sick crime carried out by two 11yr old girls against two 5-6 yr olds in Partington who they were babysitting.
Social Services and Police wanted to prosecute, the CPS wouldn't touch it as it was 'not in the public interest.'
The cases that aren't reported are as bad as the ones that are. It's definitely not uncommon.

 

[unsworthblue]

At what age should a child be held accountable for murder?

Serious child to child brutality is not nearly as rare as some of you seem to believe.

This is right. I know a few social workers and some child protection people in Mcr. Some of the stories I've heard are not too far removed from the Bulger murder and that horrible crime by the those evil little twats in Doncaster.

I know of a very sick crime carried out by two 11yr old girls against two 5-6 yr olds in Partington who they were babysitting.
Social Services and Police wanted to prosecute, the CPS wouldn't touch it as it was 'not in the public interest.'
The cases that aren't reported are as bad as the ones that are. It's definitely not uncommon.

why would any parent let an 11 year child babysit a 5-6 yr old.The mind boggles? One of my best mates and his Mrs foster children and i have heard some seriously upsetting stories.It disgusts me the way some people treat there kids

 

[Swales lives]

This is right. I know a few social workers and some child protection people in Mcr. Some of the stories I've heard are not too far removed from the Bulger murder and that horrible crime by the those evil little twats in Doncaster.

I know of a very sick crime carried out by two 11yr old girls against two 5-6 yr olds in Partington who they were babysitting.
Social Services and Police wanted to prosecute, the CPS wouldn't touch it as it was 'not in the public interest.'
The cases that aren't reported are as bad as the ones that are. It's definitely not uncommon.

why would any parent let an 11 year child babysit a 5-6 yr old.The mind boggles? One of my best mates and his Mrs foster children and i have heard some seriously upsetting stories.It disgusts me the way some people treat there kids

I know, I think we need to start sterilising the scum, anyone who has has ever filled out an application form for "The Jezza Kyle Show" and anyone who lives in Dewsbury would be a start.

 

[mammutly]

The point is a lot of it doesn't get into the news because it never enters the Court system. If we are going to start executing children who do these kinds of things to other children. there are going to be a lot of dead kids.

 

[robbie brewer]

The point is a lot of it doesn't get into the news because it never enters the Court system. If we are going to start executing children who do these kinds of things to other children. there are going to be a lot of dead kids.

if it's as common as you say there's already a lot of dead kids

 

[Damocles]

Any info on what it is that he has done to break the release conditions?

Many years ago a colleague of mine worked closely with someone who had served over 15 years for murder and was then released. The slightest misdemeanour and they are usually back in.

that's the problem, those bastards venables and thompson, never served a day in prison, they were pampered in 'homes' and juvinile detention centres with playstations and hugs. For what they did to that little boy, they should both be living in a hole in the ground with only weekly beatings to break the monotony.

Actually, my brother in law (the United fan who I've referred to on here a few times) was in jail at the same time as the Venables lad. It was Forest Bank, or Hindley. Think it was one of the Youth Offenders Institutes anyway.

The Venables guy was on Protection Wing his whole time there, then moved somewhere with no warning or anything. They even hid his identity in prison, and when he was found out, he had to be moved. Not sure where he went, was a good 10 years ago, or so.

 

[Lucky Toma]

When I was qualifying to become a counsellor my mentor told me that she'd had sessions with Venables a few years ago.

She told me that - as much as possible - she went in there with no pre-conceptions of the person or his actions. That was impossible of course but she at least had to try because otherwise what was the point in the sessions?

She said that - for the only time in her long career - she was utterly unnerved by a person's complete absence of remorse for something they had done. For many years she worked with prisoners of every kind and this was the only occasion where she encountered this. There would usually either be remorse/regret or a refusal to accept responsibility for their actions and blame attached to others.
Venables did partly blame others. But the part of him that accepted blame....there was no remorse there whatsoever.

Its important to know that my mentor was, what some on here, would class as a 'bleeding heart' - an extremely pragmatic, empathetic woman. And yet even such a woman as she actually began to consider the very real possibility of the existence of natural evil, a theory she had railed against all of her life.

I am a bleeding heart left-wing liberal. I declare this with pride.
So talk of 'stringing him up' makes me physically shudder.
Yet this person should never ever be freed.
I hope, with every fibre of my being, that he never experiences - even fleetingly - even a moment of happiness for the rest of his life.

 

[scowy68]

Correctamundo....
The rumour was somewhere in Woodhouse or Kells, Whitehaven

it was whitehaven. cant say exactly how i know but i did see him (briefly) after he had been severely battered and his house smashed to pieces by vigilantes.

That would be about right if he was living on Woodhouse,that' the norm anyway,regaurdless if your a child killer or not!funny how i didn't heaar anything about though in a very small town the size of Whitehaven.

 

[rickmcfc]

You know that for a fact or just from reading the sun?

I know it for fact. They were at a "home" on Irlam moss serving their time and fucking pampered!

The good news now is that for the first time (if its right) this little cretin will go into mainstream prisons/young offenders inst, depending on his age) Go and rot you evil shit!

I can confirm that they were in a private institution somewhere on irlam moss between boothstown and irlam. As i lived in boothstown, there were constant reports of him being seen out walking with several security people on the moss. I never saw it personally but im 99% sure its true im afraid.

 

[rickmcfc]

Here is a local report into the case which backs up what i have said
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SECRET+LIVES+OF+BULGER+KILLERS:+HE+NEVER+LEFT+MERSEYSIDE%3B+Venables...-a087687796" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SECRET+LI ... a087687796</a>

 

[Hez]

I alwas thought Jon Venables was the one who did show remorse and Robert Thmpson was the one who showed no emotion.

Whatever, they should never have been released in the first place.

 

[scall11]

I know it for fact. They were at a "home" on Irlam moss serving their time and fucking pampered!

The good news now is that for the first time (if its right) this little cretin will go into mainstream prisons/young offenders inst, depending on his age) Go and rot you evil shit!

I can confirm that they were in a private institution somewhere on irlam moss between boothstown and irlam. As i lived in boothstown, there were constant reports of him being seen out walking with several security people on the moss. I never saw it personally but im 99% sure its true im afraid.

It makes sense, in that the reports of them going on trips to the Trafford Centre would fit in. It's less than mile away. And if they took him to Old Trafford as part of his rehab into society, then that's also nearby. Probably need big, public places not too far away from the unit.

 

[Pigeonho]

I know it for fact. They were at a "home" on Irlam moss serving their time and fucking pampered!

The good news now is that for the first time (if its right) this little cretin will go into mainstream prisons/young offenders inst, depending on his age) Go and rot you evil shit!

I can confirm that they were in a private institution somewhere on irlam moss between boothstown and irlam. As i lived in boothstown, there were constant reports of him being seen out walking with several security people on the moss. I never saw it personally but im 99% sure its true im afraid.

Shame no-one with nothing to lose didn't see him and put a bullet in his temple.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Seems he's been taking drugs and scrapping with colleagues. Sounds like a thoroughly pleasant and well-adjusted young man!!

 

[scowy68]

Seems he's been taking drugs and scrapping with colleagues. Sounds like a thoroughly pleasant and well-adjusted young man!!

Well what do you expect?someone above said they took him to Old Trafford as part of his rehab!

 

[m27]

I was told by someone back in 1994 that he was in that unit on Barton Moss as it's fairly local to me. I've got to be honest, I took it with a pinch of salt. Quite surprised it's actually true.

 

[tommyducks]

When I was qualifying to become a counsellor my mentor told me that she'd had sessions with Venables a few years ago.

She told me that - as much as possible - she went in there with no pre-conceptions of the person or his actions. That was impossible of course but she at least had to try because otherwise what was the point in the sessions?

She said that - for the only time in her long career - she was utterly unnerved by a person's complete absence of remorse for something they had done. For many years she worked with prisoners of every kind and this was the only occasion where she encountered this. There would usually either be remorse/regret or a refusal to accept responsibility for their actions and blame attached to others.
Venables did partly blame others. But the part of him that accepted blame....there was no remorse there whatsoever.

Its important to know that my mentor was, what some on here, would class as a 'bleeding heart' - an extremely pragmatic, empathetic woman. And yet even such a woman as she actually began to consider the very real possibility of the existence of natural evil, a theory she had railed against all of her life.

I am a bleeding heart left-wing liberal. I declare this with pride.
So talk of 'stringing him up' makes me physically shudder.
Yet this person should never ever be freed.
I hope, with every fibre of my being, that he never experiences - even fleetingly - even a moment of happiness for the rest of his life.

Finally, in such a difficult thread, you have said it exactly in the way I wanted to.

 

[Pigeonho]

When I was qualifying to become a counsellor my mentor told me that she'd had sessions with Venables a few years ago.

She told me that - as much as possible - she went in there with no pre-conceptions of the person or his actions. That was impossible of course but she at least had to try because otherwise what was the point in the sessions?

She said that - for the only time in her long career - she was utterly unnerved by a person's complete absence of remorse for something they had done. For many years she worked with prisoners of every kind and this was the only occasion where she encountered this. There would usually either be remorse/regret or a refusal to accept responsibility for their actions and blame attached to others.
Venables did partly blame others. But the part of him that accepted blame....there was no remorse there whatsoever.

Its important to know that my mentor was, what some on here, would class as a 'bleeding heart' - an extremely pragmatic, empathetic woman. And yet even such a woman as she actually began to consider the very real possibility of the existence of natural evil, a theory she had railed against all of her life.

I am a bleeding heart left-wing liberal. I declare this with pride.
So talk of 'stringing him up' makes me physically shudder.
Yet this person should never ever be freed.
I hope, with every fibre of my being, that he never experiences - even fleetingly - even a moment of happiness for the rest of his life.

Finally, in such a difficult thread, you have said it exactly in the way I wanted to.

Each to their own, but in extreme cases like this i'm afraid I believe in an eye for an eye.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Finally, in such a difficult thread, you have said it exactly in the way I wanted to.

Each to their own, but in extreme cases like this i'm afraid I believe in an eye for an eye.

I totally respect that mate. I have never before - or anytime since - had my convictions so deeply shaken as when I found out about what happened that day.

 

[scowy68]

We could always put medical testing to good use with vermin like Venables and Thompson.