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[BosnianDiamond]

MSP, it is you who is pathetic and need to get your head out of the British asses and stop bashing the Balkans and eastern Europe. I have never lived in Germany and don't even actively follow the German league, but it's obvious that they don't get enough credit for their success in the Champions League.

As for the comments about the PL being most competitive. Have you looked at the table? There are four top teams in the Premier League, the rest are average or below average compared to other teams in Europe. I do find the premier league the most entertaining because of the fast pace of play, but to suggest that it is the most competitive is wrong.

I just can't stand the arrogant attitude towards the rest of Europe, I guess now I know where the Americans get their arrogance from and think only their way is the best.

 

[Matty]

MSP, it is you who is pathetic and need to get your head out of the British asses and stop bashing the Balkans and eastern Europe. I have never lived in Germany and don't even actively follow the German league, but it's obvious that they don't get enough credit for their success in the Champions League.

As for the comments about the PL being most competitive. Have you looked at the table? There are four top teams in the Premier League, the rest are average or below average compared to other teams in Europe. I do find the premier league the most entertaining because of the fast pace of play, but to suggest that it is the most competitive is wrong.

I just can't stand the arrogant attitude towards the rest of Europe, I guess now I know where the Americans get their arrogance from and think only their way is the best.

Ok, first off, there are 5 top teams in England, United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham. Below them you have some very sizeable, and certainly competitive clubs in Everton and Liverpool. So, that's 7 clubs which you'd class as, at very least, good sides. Add to that the competitive nature of the other sides, the likes of Swansea winning a domestic trophy, Newcastle qualifying for Europe last season, and making the Europa League Quarter Finals, and you've got a very deep competitive league. Can they all win the title? No. But at the start of each season you've not exactly got handfuls of German clibs who can claim a title shot is on the cards either. Bayern Dortmund and who else? Maybe at a push Schalke.

German has 2 of Europe's current top clubs, but as the Goetze signing proves (and the fact Lewandowski is likely to leave too), Dortmund are only temporarily as good as they are. Bayern will always dominate German football, no-one has the financial muscles, or pulling power, to do anything about that.

 

[chris_m]

MSP, it is you who is pathetic and need to get your head out of the British asses and stop bashing the Balkans and eastern Europe. I have never lived in Germany and don't even actively follow the German league, but it's obvious that they don't get enough credit for their success in the Champions League.

As for the comments about the PL being most competitive. Have you looked at the table? There are four top teams in the Premier League, the rest are average or below average compared to other teams in Europe. I do find the premier league the most entertaining because of the fast pace of play, but to suggest that it is the most competitive is wrong.

I just can't stand the arrogant attitude towards the rest of Europe, I guess now I know where the Americans get their arrogance from and think only their way is the best.

Ok, first off, there are 5 top teams in England, United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham. Below them you have some very sizeable, and certainly competitive clubs in Everton and Liverpool. So, that's 7 clubs which you'd class as, at very least, good sides. Add to that the competitive nature of the other sides, the likes of Swansea winning a domestic trophy, Newcastle qualifying for Europe last season, and making the Europa League Quarter Finals, and you've got a very deep competitive league. Can they all win the title? No. But at the start of each season you've not exactly got handfuls of German clibs who can claim a title shot is on the cards either. Bayern Dortmund and who else? Maybe at a push Schalke.

German has 2 of Europe's current top clubs, but as the Goetze signing proves (and the fact Lewandowski is likely to leave too), Dortmund are only temporarily as good as they are. Bayern will always dominate German football, no-one has the financial muscles, or pulling power, to do anything about that.

Stuttgart are in the Cup Final, Dortmund won the Cup when they were still a mid-table to Europa League team. It is competitive

 

[Blueband Brother]

how is that a topic? Moron!

Well, try to understand him... eastern europeans work a lot in Germany, building their houses and so, so they are obsessed with Germany, Bundesliga, German canalization system and so on..

They usually have one German club they w@nk about but they are absolute fans of each other Bundesliga club too when they play in >Europe, German national team on big tournaments etc, etc..

I'm yet to decide who are bigger w@nkers - those that worked in Germany for a year or two and pretend to be bigger Helmuts than Kohl or those that emigrated to USA and think Washington was their uncle.

THE ENGLAND FACTOR

The above comment is ridiculous. How does this naive anti - Eastern European insinuation of yours relate to the assertion of the original poster that people in this forum ( but actually in England and other countries in Europe and the world infact) are decidedly ignorant and unaware of the fact that the Bundesliga is as good as the EPL. Although the words used by the original poster were not particularly eloquent or polite.

This a cute flaw and shortcoming of humanity- nobody wants to really think and face the truth and they are quite content to feed on the garbage from the inept and lazy pundits and media until the truth actually stands in front of them and spits on their faces. Now everybody including the original poster are now saying, ''Yes, the Bundesliga is actually a great league league and is on the up, or is even the best league in the world, just look at what Bayern Munich and Dortmund did on Tuesday and Wednesday''. They are now willing to entertain the possibility or even accept the fact now that it is becoming fairly obvious

All those that know me will bear me witness when I say that I have been proclaiming for the past 10 years and I sternly believe that the Bundesliga is the best league in Europe and nothing really have ever competed with it since the Serie A in the 80s and 90s

This is not about the motives and activities of Eastern Europeans or patriotism or English- German rivalry, it is about understanding the criteria that qualifies a league to be regarded as the best in Europe and unfortunately most people tend to think that the right criteria is the volume of so called world class players or even success in Europe. I tend to disagree.

I would not get into the details on why the Bundesliga IS DEFINATELY! the best in Europe but Ill ask you to do some work and look at:

-Der Deutsche Nationalsaufzeichnung ( the performance of the German national team) since the 50s.
-Club administration and management- e.g clubs owned by fans and Germans and ran with utmost efficiency and competence.
- Academies and efficiency in scouting
-Success of German clubs in Europe despite the inferior level of funding
- The facilities and quality of stadiums.
-The competitiveness of the league
-The entertainment of the games ( very similar to the EPL), lots of goals, end to end stuff.
-The atmosphere and level of support during matches ( attendance)
-The football traditions and activities of the German people.
-The steadfast soul of German Football.

Its not just about the ability to buy or even produce world class players and the ability to win champions league, it is much deeper than that. When you play against a German team, you know that you have to be true, honest and give 100% or else you are going to lose, regardless of the perceived level or quality of the German opposition.

They cant win every European competition but If the field is leveled in terms of the level of attraction and investment from companies and entrepreneurs then I wager that their football superiority will become more obvious.They are just better and more efficient in running football matters than any other country in the Europe and they are also better in their understanding and playing of the game.

Unfortunately Germany does not have the appeal as England to foreign investors and even fans and spectators all over the world. Everybody tend to focus on England (I call it the England factor or the English /London appeal).People all over the world are generally attracted to the Anglo- american culture and way of life- the music, the movies, the celebrities and so on. Also, there is the effect of the marked influence of England, France and Spain in the world due to colonialism . Perhaps this is why the Spanish league is so popular in South America. This is something that the Germans drastically fell short on - influence all over the world because lets face it, their people skills are not the best are they?
In Africa and Asia, people are more likely to watch the BBC news that any German news, more likely to want to travel to London (or Paris) than Berlin for tourism and holidays, more likely to want to learn how to speak English than German,more likely to want to emigrate to the U.K. than Germany. So its the England factor that has unfortunately blinded people of the world in most cases into thinking that the English Premier League is the best and only league worth watching.

This is why an aspiring wee African footballer only aspires to play in the english league or perhaps the french league, because that is all he knows and all he sees on TV. That is why Berbatov turned down a move to Juventus because the appeal of London, the England Factor was too strong to ignore. Generally, players are attracted to the English game because they are actually attracted to England. Even now, the mentality of the South Americans is changing because the premier league is so rampant all over the world.Those South Americans- Brazilian, Argentinian, Colombian kid are now aspiring towards the English league, save Real Madrid and Barcelona of course. I wouldn't go as far as saying that the Premier league is the most popular in south america but it is almost there.

Even foreign investors also fall under the England Factor or appeal, which is why most of the buyers and investors come to England.

People in the U.K. also fall under their own spell, enhanced by the lack of exposure to the bundesliga and the readiness and willingness to accept that the English league is the best out of a feeling of patriotism and awareness of the popularity of the English game. 'We are definitely the best because we always have teams in the later parts of the champions league and all the best players want to come to our league''. This is the false and misguided understanding of what makes a league superior.

The English Premier league is the most popular league in the world but it is certainly not and HAVE NEVER BEEN the best.

This is certainly a controversial post and is hard to admit for some but I'm just being fair and balanced and this is the reality.

 

[MSP]

MSP, it is you who is pathetic and need to get your head out of the British asses and stop bashing the Balkans and eastern Europe. I have never lived in Germany and don't even actively follow the German league, but it's obvious that they don't get enough credit for their success in the Champions League.

You can sniff it up from Brittish asses if you want, I don't give a damn about anyone's backyards, including Brittish ones. Actually, I like Germans more than Brittish though I can perfectly live without any of them.

I'm very familiar with Eastern Europeans and Balkans regularly sniffing German ones though so I've no problem saying my words about it, not here, not on many other places. Only idiot can claim Bundesliga is better than Premier League based on current success of Bayern and Dortmund so it's not hard to figure out where the rabbit is sleeping.

The above comment is ridiculous. How does this naive anti - Eastern European insinuation of yours relate to the assertion of the original poster that people in this forum ( but actually in England and other countries in Europe and the world infact) are decidedly ignorant and unaware of the fact that the Bundesliga is as good as the EPL. Although the words used by the original poster were not particularly eloquent or polite.

Very simple - I'm Eastern European myself and as such I'm pretty familiar with what I'm talking about. I'm very, very involved in football too so I am insanely familiar about strictly the football part of the matter I've posted about.

My views on this are purely football ones (I like premier league as it entertains me more and as I speak english but not german so it's easier for me to stay in touch with stuff) and only single thing that it's out of football borders with me is that those that are w@nking on anything German related make me pissed, can't stand those mental vassals.

I'll be sincere and say I couldn't force myself to read the rest as I'm not interested in your too serious approach to it. It's nothing I care about too much but have my very strong view about it from loads of very personal experience so with all due respect I don't give a damn about your views on this matter.

 

[Darkhorse]

Where are all the idiots who said the German league is not as good as the English league? LMAO

The LEAGUE isn't. The top TEAMS certainly are better than most, if not all, of the Premier League, though!

This^^^^^

The Premier League, as MANY MANY Euro transplants have said, is the MOST COMPETITIVE of the Leagues in Europe BY FAR!

In Spain, Italy, France and Germany, there are very rarely ANY lower clubs beating top clubs. In the Premier League, there are virtually NO gimmes and anyone can beat anyone every week.

BTW, anyone notice that the commentary tonight was particularly Brit-bashing, when at the end of the game, the commentator said something like "in the last 24 hours the Germans have taken the title of Kings of Europe away from the Spaniards"??

Last I checked, an ENGLISH TEAM were the "Kings of Europe!" In fact, for the SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, the "Spanish Kings" have both failed to make it to the Final!!

Also, for City, seeing TWO of the teams from their Group of Death in the SF has to be a small consolation, even though losing to one of them at their place in the last 5 minutes was a killer blow! Last year, the Group Leaders played in the Final and they will do it again this year!!

That's wrong. And, plenty of teams in Germany go up and down the table from season to season. Your lapping up the propaganda

 

[Josh Blue]

oh shit the Bosnian's are turning on each other.

 

[ManCitizens.]

how is that a topic? Moron!

Well, try to understand him... eastern europeans work a lot in Germany, building their houses and so, so they are obsessed with Germany, Bundesliga, German canalization system and so on..

They usually have one German club they w@nk about but they are absolute fans of each other Bundesliga club too when they play in >Europe, German national team on big tournaments etc, etc..

I'm yet to decide who are bigger w@nkers - those that worked in Germany for a year or two and pretend to be bigger Helmuts than Kohl or those that emigrated to USA and think Washington was their uncle.

In your opinion of course. The only way of measuring the best league (competitively) is the co-efficient, everything else is opinion.