Cambridge Analytica

mat said:
So...

Are millions deleting their FB accounts now or are they blindly accepting being manipulated for the good of others?
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Most of the people manipulated by random posts on Facebook are gullible fools. People who aren’t gullible fools don’t use Facebook and Twitter as their primary source of truth. It’s therefore quite easy to see how a Facebook and Twitter campaign of lies and distortions helped Trump become President.
 
Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
I didn't mention anything about people being banned from twitter specifically.

What i high-lighted was Twitter (and their employees) having the capability to employ shadow-banning techniques. This is where certain peoples content is downgraded within the system so it doesn't turn up in searches or appear on other people's feeds. It was admitted by Twitter software engineers the majority of its use was targetted towards conservatives & Trump supporters.
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Do you have a source for that claim? Because the only record I can find of such a thing is from conservative activist James O'Keefe, who has a history of dishonest and selective editing to make it appear as if people said something they didn't. In fact, the only news media reporting such claims on the first page of Google results are the usual collection of right-wing, victim-mentality shit stirrers, of Breitbart, Russia Today and the radical Catholic site LifeSiteNews.

Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Also who (and by what authority) gets to decide if some-one is Alt-Right. Do you not see a problem where if someone (like an employee from Twitter) disagrees with a person views they could label them 'Alt-Right' and have their content removed. You also get the problem where people start relying on companies like the Southern Poverty Law Center to discern for them who should be considered 'extremists' or 'hate groups'. Only the other week they published an article which labeled Tim Pool (freelance left leaning journalist) as Alt Right, on the basis that he had associated with/interviewed people from the far right. If you don't see the potential for bias & abuse then fine, but i see it as a form of censorship & de-platforming.
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Who is being banned because they're alt-right? They're being banned because of the sort of threatening, harassing and abusive behaviour that manifests itself in the movement loosely defined as the alt-right. David Duke is presumably still on the site and posting his white-nationalist opinions because he doesn't mobilize his followers to harass other people on the platform like many of those who got banned did.

Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Maybe i misunderstand what the whole verification is about, but i was under the impression that it was so known people in public eye could verify who they were, so they that other people couldn't masquerade as them using similiar names & profiles to cause mischief & problems. What it now seems to have turned into is a 'badge' for views & opinions that are endorsed by Twitter, and not about proving identities.
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That was originally the idea, but Twitter seemed to be worried that giving people verified status

Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
You might not have a problem with this, but my view is that social media should be neutral, and not show bias or favouritism to any side.
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That's all well and good, and I'd agree, but it's ultimately a private company and will act in a way that reflects best on them and ensures them the greatest profits. It will generally take new laws to change things and it will be interesting to see if anything comes out of this current investigation. But I would argue that the criticism of Twitter (maybe you have another example I referenced) doesn't meet any of the standards of impartiality or neutrality that you demand of Twitter. As an example, Milo Yiannapoulos used to answer criticism of Breitbart's bias by saying "name me a media source that isn't biased." You can't have that attitude and then play the victim when another media company kicks you off their platform because of things you've said. But that's what this is all about. The evidence that conservative voices on social media are being silenced is paper thin, and yet the victim mentality persists. Twitter, by definition, publishes a greater breadth of political views than any media company in history, and yet companies with an explicit editorial stance are criticising them. Let's be honest, it's precisely because of their lack of concern over what political views are aired on their platform that groups like CA were able to exploit it in the first place. Try and get a Hillary Clinton advert on Fox News or a Labour advert in the Daily Mail and see how that works out for you. Yet biased news sources like these are often the first to cry foul at any perceived bias, as if the privately-owned Twitter is under any more of an obligation to be impartial than they are.

Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
My original point still stands, and that was it seems people (on both sides), as long as they are getting the results or outcomes they desire, aren't really interested in the methods used. The methods, lack of a level playing field etc only become an issue when they become affected.
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Absolutely. 30 years ago, it was whoever could hire the best advertising company and brown nose Rupert Murdoch the most.

Fucking hell, I didn't want to get into another discussion.
 
What's the difference with this CA lot doing it, to the normal lies that politicians tells us during electioneering (and the rest of the time). We've always been let to, so is this just the print media, who are going down the pan, getting right onto this to try and get some of their market share back?

The print media have made shit up for fucking decades, so why all of a sudden all the fuss?
 
west didsblue said:
Most of the people manipulated by random posts on Facebook are gullible fools. People who aren’t gullible fools don’t use Facebook and Twitter as their primary source of truth. It’s therefore quite easy to see how a Facebook and Twitter campaign of lies and distortions helped Trump become President.
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I see very little political content on Facebook, firstly because I block adverts on there, and secondly because I don't click on those "Which Smurf are you?" "Oh, and by the way, can we have access to all of your account details?" things.
 
malg said:
What's the difference with this CA lot doing it, to the normal lies that politicians tells us during electioneering (and the rest of the time). We've always been let to, so is this just the print media, who are going down the pan, getting right onto this to try and get some of their market share back?

The print media have made shit up for fucking decades, so why all of a sudden all the fuss?
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CA is targeted at the individual. They'll use your viewing/post/share history to promote their message on the most effective way to you whereas their approach to target me might be very different. Newspapers don't have that dexterity.

That said, it's the same in principle. CA haven't voted on behalf of these people.
 
Ricster said:


Can anyone say why this is taking so long? Sounds dodgy
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Probably because to issue a warrant there has to be some sort of crime suspected and i'm not sure what it would be. Data security of some sort but if people tick the box for data use then smart people using it to target adverts isn't a crime as far as I know.

I've no idea which character in "Friends" or "The big bang theory" I am because I don't do that crap. I play chess, so they don't bombard me with adverts.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Probably because to issue a warrant there has to be some sort of crime suspected and i'm not sure what it would be. Data security of some sort but if people tick the box for data use then smart people using it to target adverts isn't a crime as far as I know.

I've no idea which character in "Friends" or "The big bang theory" I am because I don't do that crap. I play chess, so they don't bombard me with adverts.
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I'm Rachel, the drama queen
 
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