Cameron vetoes EU Treaty change

[SWP's back]

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

That would be the same City of London that funds your Health, Education and Social services. Yeah right fuck em!

Some people have no understanding of what The City is or does.

But it sounds cool to decry it.

 

[Halfpenny]

As someone who sits in the middle politically I don't share the same visceral hatred for the Tories as many posters on here.

That said, watching their worst Little England characteristics come out in times such as these reminds me why I've always stopped short of voting for them. I actually find their sneering and small minded antipathy to all things European to be barbaric and deeply unpleasant.

The EU is far from perfect, but it has brought peace to a large part of a continent which spent the previous 1000 years in a virtually perpetual cycle of war. It has also overseen a bewildering increase in living standards in its member states, some of which were virtually third world countries when it was formed in the 1950's.

What many people fail to relaise that in order to have a free market, common rules and laws relating to goods, products, services and the labour force are essential. You can't have one without the other - at least not in any functioning sense.

People talk about the surrender of our powers as if it's still the 1930's. There is a tidal wave of change coming to the western world and the best way we can try and minimise the damage it will inflict on us is to stick together not fracture apart.

We are not some isolated Kingdom like 19th Century Japan, we are European, as much as the Spanish or the French, the lineage of our Royal Family is one of many examples that supports this assertion.

Anyone who thinks that isolating ourselves from the rest of Europe will have no bearing on our trade has a very poor grasp of history, and more importantly human nature.

It's a big world out there and we're not the swinging dicks of the playground like we were fifty years ago and I, for one, don't fancy our chances out there if we're walking through that jungle on our own.

Good post.

I don't know how Dave's played this one but as corporate power increases so must political power. I hope he hasn't put the little Englanders/the City before the long term interests of Europeans.

Surely our own interests should come first?

What's in their interest (long-term security of the Euro) is certainly in our interest. A Eurozone-wide collapse would be catastrophic for our economy considering that circa 40% of our trade is done with Eurozone countries.

 

[SWP's back]

Good post.

I don't know how Dave's played this one but as corporate power increases so must political power. I hope he hasn't put the little Englanders/the City before the long term interests of Europeans.

Surely our own interests should come first?

What's in their interest (long-term security of the Euro) is certainly in our interest. A Eurozone-wide collapse would be catastrophic for our economy considering that circa 40% of our trade is done with Eurozone countries.

Can you explain to me how agreeing to this treaty (just the UK), would benefit to the Eurozone? They don't need control of our budgets as we aren't part of the Euro

 

[PJMCC1UK]

LOL at the befuddled eurosceptics who think that Cameron gives a fuck about UK citizens. His actions today were solely to protect the City of London and the banks that infest it.

Yes and with it the money that comes into the UK that helps our economy. I agree that banking shouldn't be our only forte but get over some of your socialist bias.

 

[kronkonite]

this treaty has effectively outlawed keynesianim

forget bout Camerons "stance"

if a government of the left wins an election it's economic manifesto would be illegal

Cry for the death of european Democracy

 

[SWP's back]

this treaty has effectively outlawed keynesianim

forget bout Camerons "stance"

if a government of the left wins an election it's economic manifesto would be illegal

Cry for the death of european Democracy

How so?

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

If I understand it correctly, the extra tax on our financial transactions would have brought in €100 miilion per year to help prop up the Euro and that a third of that would be from the UK even though we are not in it.

Also, let's not get carried away that we are anti-european and the germans are all pro. They need the euro more than anyone as it is what is keeping their exports competitive. If the euro collapses german will revalue upwards by about 40%. then they are f*cked

 

[kronkonite]

Read owen Jones article over at the new statesman web site where he quotes paul Mason of the BBC this is the key passage:



"by enshrining in national and international law the need for balanced budgets and near-zero structural deficits, the eurozone has outlawed expansionary fiscal policy."

 

[Halfpenny]

this treaty has effectively outlawed keynesianim

forget bout Camerons "stance"

if a government of the left wins an election it's economic manifesto would be illegal

Cry for the death of european Democracy

How so?

Owen Jones has summed it up for the New Statesman. "the eurozone has outlawed expansionary fiscal policy" which effectively covers Keynesianism.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/12/european-treaty-cameron-stop" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... meron-stop</a>

Must say, I'm certainly not happy about that.

 

[kronkonite]

and if I have to be associated with the right as a euro sceptic then so be it

EEC is for business interests only