Can anyone disect this

[D.Villa]

charlie adam's teeth are hideous, just thought i'd throw that into the equation

 

[Chungo]

Are you kidding? There isn't a team in the country you've spent better than.
You've wasted money more money in the past 3 years on players that weren't good enough than any team's entire budget over that period.
And then there's the players that are decent but not spectacular like Milner, Kolorov, Lescott (£65m for them 3 makes Carroll and Henderson at £50m look a bargain)
Then there's players with a year or less on their contract you've paid over their value for - Nasri, De Jong, Barry
Then there's the astronomical wage bill.

Just because we've spent alot of money doesn't mean we've spent poorly.

Mancini has been very proficient in his transfer signings. Look at the Juxtaposition in the window!

Carroll £35 mill, Dzeko £27 mill (one of, if not the best center forwards in the world).

Silva £24 million - Stewart Downing £20 million. C'mon....


Luka Modric imminent at £40 million and Yaya Toure £28 million. No player in the world is capable of doing what Mancini asks of Yaya. No one. Modric, on the other hand, is superseded by Silva.

Think you need to take the tinted glasses off. You've spent extremely poorly when you look at the big picture. You have a good squad now, but I could easily list £200m worth of players that you've wasted money on. Not players that were overpriced but are doing jobs like Milner, but players that you've bought and are now obsolete. If that's not poor spending I don't know what is.
I'll ignore the Dzeko being the best center forward in the world comment. Although it says a lot for your position.

BOO FUCKIN HOO!

I've said this before. Do you want to win football matches and have the worlds greatest players playing for your club or do you want your owners make money?

 

[zangatangring]

Just because we've spent alot of money doesn't mean we've spent poorly.

Mancini has been very proficient in his transfer signings. Look at the Juxtaposition in the window!

Carroll £35 mill, Dzeko £27 mill (one of, if not the best center forwards in the world).

Silva £24 million - Stewart Downing £20 million. C'mon....


Luka Modric imminent at £40 million and Yaya Toure £28 million. No player in the world is capable of doing what Mancini asks of Yaya. No one. Modric, on the other hand, is superseded by Silva.

Think you need to take the tinted glasses off. You've spent extremely poorly when you look at the big picture. You have a good squad now, but I could easily list £200m worth of players that you've wasted money on. Not players that were overpriced but are doing jobs like Milner, but players that you've bought and are now obsolete. If that's not poor spending I don't know what is.
I'll ignore the Dzeko being the best center forward in the world comment. Although it says a lot for your position.

James Milner only cost £16 million (he's english). Although I concede he's not exceptional in any distinct role, he's a utility man and a pretty good one. There's one in most teams.

There isn't a pragmatic way of spending money to build a squad without doing it the way we did. Which team do you support.......? Liverpool? United? Chelsea?

 

[matt99is]

Carroll = £35m + £4m a year for 5 years = £55m
Aguero = £40m(ish) + £12m a year for 5 years = £100m

That's pretty much double the cost.

I don't believe Aguero's on £12m a year. No City player is on a basic of more than £160k I understand. So it's £38m plus £40m in wages = £78m.

Its well know Aguero was receiving a 6 figure wage packet per week after tax.
So you think Aguero will have taken a paycut?
Highly doubt it.

It was highly publicized that he was willing to take a pay-cut to join us........

 

[afroad]

I could easily list £200m worth of players that you've wasted money on.

Benitez pissed away the best part of £250m.

Well that's not true is it. Very lazy thing to say.
Rafael Benítez bought 59 players for £231,276,000
Rafael Benítez sold 72 players for £161,700,000
Which is £14m net spend per year
And when he left Liverpool still had the £70m rated Mascherano and Torres.

If you buy a car for 10k, drive it for a year, and sell it for 8k. Have you pissed away 10k?


And even if it was, what does that have to do with anything?

Yet you think he was some sort of god.

No I don't

 

[TCIB]

Are you kidding? There isn't a team in the country you've spent better than.
You've wasted money more money in the past 3 years on players that weren't good enough than any team's entire budget over that period.
And then there's the players that are decent but not spectacular like Milner, Kolorov, Lescott (£65m for them 3 makes Carroll and Henderson at £50m look a bargain)
Then there's players with a year or less on their contract you've paid over their value for - Nasri, De Jong, Barry
Then there's the astronomical wage bill.

In your opinion, which i will dissect now.

It is called value for money, you fella have none outside of Suarez. For example why didn't Downing score when he cut into the box and had a great chance ? ahh thats it he has no right foot.

Then you speak about over paying for Nasri. He IS that good so what do you think we would have spent next summer with Chelsea, Real etc starting a bidding war ? Less than we did now ? exactly.

De Jong, seriously ? we payed over the odds for him ? are you for real mate, this isn't fantasy land rawk.

Barry splits opinion but not now with City fans, i always liked him and saw his worth to a team and he is showing it right now. I will put it this way, if we put him on the market now do you think we would get offered less than we payed ? i would say we would make a profit. We would make that profit because of his performances being deemed worth the cost. There you go full circle back to value for money.

We are getting it and many dippers are red with indignation that ickle city are showing them how you smash the premiership monopoly.
Something you never did in 20 years of trying.

 

[matt99is]

Rafael Benítez bought 59 players for £231,276,000
Rafael Benítez sold 72 players for £161,700,000
Which is £14m net spend per year

Of course none of those players ever earned any wages or received any bonuses during the period they played for Liverpool did they.....Your mathematics is too simplistic.

 

[ManCityFC]

This is all a complete crock of bollocks. Let me put it in lamens terms;

City Situation:

You own a superb car, not remarkable, but pretty decent and close to world class, but you could do with some cash to invest in another car. One of the richest men in the world asks if he can buy it off you. You know he is rich, so think fuck it, if you want it, you can pay top fucking coin for it pal. Right? Of course. He will pay it because money isn't really an issue anyway.

Bin Dippers Situation:

You own a superb car, not remarkable, but pretty decent and close to world class, but you could do with some cash to invest in another car. A bloke with not much money asks if he can buy it. You quote a fair price because otherwise you will be stuck with the car (or the fucker will probably just rob it anyway) and you won't be able to buy the other car you have set your heart on.

The two situations just can't be compared like for like because of the disparity of wealth. We will always have to pay top whack, over the actual value in most casees, because they know we have cash on the hip. It's not wrong, it's capatalism and commercialism. But you can't get upset about it and claim you are doing things better when you are actually part of the problem. They paid way over the top for a one season wonder, but the disparity in wealth meant that this was the only way they would prise the player off Newcastle. Same situation, just on a lesser level. I don't understand a scouser to understand any of that.

But, it a fact....That's life....

 

[afroad]

tl;dr We have spent better than dippers.

Are you kidding? There isn't a team in the country you've spent better than.
You've wasted money more money in the past 3 years on players that weren't good enough than any team's entire budget over that period.
And then there's the players that are decent but not spectacular like Milner, Kolorov, Lescott (£65m for them 3 makes Carroll and Henderson at £50m look a bargain)
Then there's players with a year or less on their contract you've paid over their value for - Nasri, De Jong, Barry
Then there's the astronomical wage bill.

In your opinion, which i will dissect now.[/quote]
I don't know what you've done to mess up the quotes but here's my reply.

It is called value for money, you fella have none outside of Suarez. For example why didn't Downing score when he cut into the box and had a great chance ? ahh thats it he has no right foot.

Value for money is exactly my point. City have had very little.

Then you speak about over paying for Nasri. He IS that good so what do you think we would have spent next summer with Chelsea, Real etc starting a bidding war ? Less than we did now ? exactly.

He was out of contract next summer. That's why you overpaid. £25m on a player that was able to discuss a free transfer in 6 months. Is that value for money?

De Jong, seriously ? we payed over the odds for him ? are you for real mate, this isn't fantasy land rawk.

Am I for real? I seem to know more than you do anyway. He could have left in the summer for pennies and you paid £18m in January to make sure you didn't have to compete with other clubs. Is that value for money?

Barry splits opinion but not now with City fans, i always liked him and saw his worth to a team and he is showing it right now. I will put it this way, if we put him on the market now do you think we would get offered less than we payed ? would say we would make a profit. We would make that profit because of his performances being deemed worth the cost. There you go full circle back to value for money.

Of course you wouldn't make a profit. He's the wrong side of 30 and on massive wages. Who is going to pay more than £12m for him?

We are getting it and many dippers are red with indignation that ickle city are showing them how you smash the premiership monopoly.

Its nothing to do with 'smashing the monopoly'. Who mentioned that? Its nothing to do with me that some City fans have an inferiority complex and are imagining other fans being annoyed to make themselves feel smug. Its to do with the fact you now have a good squad, but have wasted massive amounts of money in doing it

I don't really understand what you're getting at trying to defend your spending. I'm not having a go, I don't particularly care how much Man City spend. But it's clear you've wasted tens if not hundreds of millions. How can that be debated when its so obvious? Its there in black and white.

 

[Bluemoon115]

Two things. For a start you can't amortise an incoming fee. More correct to work out the profit/loss on sale and subtract/add that to expenditure.

The other thing is who would you rather have?

Carroll or Dzeko
Suarez or Aguero
Adam or Yaya Toure
Enrique or Clichy
Henderson or Nasri

Who would I rather have?

Dzeko, Suarez, Toure, Enrique, Nasri.

But then the City players not only cost a lot more but are on a lot more wages.

Its a poor job of explaining the theory, but the general idea is using the value of a player across the length of his contract rather than just a set fee, because wages often cost a lot more than the transfer fee. It can be used to justify Liverpool having a large net spend this summer by taking the cost of a) wasters like Poulsen and Ngog off the wage bill + b) not needing to spend as much in coming years by signing younger players.

Take Aguero v Carroll

A muppet says 'LOL LIVERPOOL PAID £5M MORE LOLOLOL COULD HAVE GOT AGUERO HAHAHA...WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE'

But.
Carroll = £35m + £4m a year for 5 years = £55m
Aguero = £40m(ish) + £12m a year for 5 years = £100m

That's pretty much double the cost.

Well seeing as Aguero is 5 times the player Carroll will ever be, I'd say that's a very good deal in City's favour.