Canine Shock Collars.

Slipper One said:
'Among the Government’s plans for pet welfare is the consultation on banning shock collars, amid worries they could be causing harm to pets.' BBC News.

Believe it or not, being hit by a car causes much more harm to a dog.
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Most dogs aren't being hit by cars, they have owners that train them to be obedient and aviod such a tragic end. Maybe walk them on a lead when the situation demands.

Put the shock collar on the owner for a while and see how much they appreciate a zap in the neck when a mysterious behavioural mistake warrants an inexpilcable and totally misunderstood reaction.
 
Slipper One said:
It's not difficult to understand really.

My point is that a containment fence will keep a dog on the property. If it gets onto the road, then being hit by a car can be fatal or give life long health issues.

It's ridiculous for a government to ban them
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You’ve lost me. We’re talking about the banning of electric shock collars, not containment fences
 
WestGorton said:
Anything that mitigates animal cruelty has my full support. Well done to the government.
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How is it cruel?

You know nothing about a containment fence, do you?
I suspect you know very little about dogs either.

There are various ways to teach a dog the new boundary, which is indicated by small flags or markers of some sort. Basically they receive an audible beep at a preset distance when they approach, which is their warning. At some point later in the training they are allowed to actually receive a zap (that is adjusted to the size, breed and temperament of the dog). For the dog, the pieces of the jigsaw fall into place and they realize that the beep indicates their boundary. Some dogs are slower learners than others, but if done properly a lot of dogs don't receive another.

Dogs are not stupid.
If you think that dogs live their lives out in the garden being electrocuted all day and every day, then you have no understanding of the product or dogs.

Very soon the flags can slowly be removed as the dogs know their new boundary and I've often seen dogs outside in their garden WITHOUT a collar, that's how effective it is.

A couple of examples.
I've seen two dogs (Lab and German Shepherd) chase a ball, one trained with a collar and the other without. As they raced to the ball that had stopped outside the boundary, the one stopped before the boundary, while the other collected the ball. The dog didn't get zapped, there were no flags, the dog just knew it's environment.

My son-in-law has it for his dog and she has an acre and a half to run around in, but never leaves the property or gets zapped. Never.

Over here lots of properties do not have fences around properties, so there is nothing to stop a dog roaming for miles around the neigbourhood or running out onto the street/road where there is obviously the danger of traffic.

If it was a case of my dog initially getting a zap once, possibly twice or being hit by a car.........I know which I would choose every time.
It's certainly saved the lives of countless dogs............and horrendous vet bills for the survivors.
 
I look back to when I had a dog many years ago. I loved that dog, but had a choker chain when walking him because Barbara bloody Woodhouse said so. I wouldn’t use a choker chain or electric collar on him if I had my time with him again, I’d use a harness when walking him. No need to hurt a dog unless they try and bite you or growl at you, then shout and hit them on their behind but not too hard.
 
Slipper One said:
How is it cruel?

You know nothing about a containment fence, do you?
I suspect you know very little about dogs either.

There are various ways to teach a dog the new boundary, which is indicated by small flags or markers of some sort. Basically they receive an audible beep at a preset distance when they approach, which is their warning. At some point later in the training they are allowed to actually receive a zap (that is adjusted to the size, breed and temperament of the dog). For the dog, the pieces of the jigsaw fall into place and they realize that the beep indicates their boundary. Some dogs are slower learners than others, but if done properly a lot of dogs don't receive another.

Dogs are not stupid.
If you think that dogs live their lives out in the garden being electrocuted all day and every day, then you have no understanding of the product or dogs.

Very soon the flags can slowly be removed as the dogs know their new boundary and I've often seen dogs outside in their garden WITHOUT a collar, that's how effective it is.

A couple of examples.
I've seen two dogs (Lab and German Shepherd) chase a ball, one trained with a collar and the other without. As they raced to the ball that had stopped outside the boundary, the one stopped before the boundary, while the other collected the ball. The dog didn't get zapped, there were no flags, the dog just knew it's environment.

My son-in-law has it for his dog and she has an acre and a half to run around in, but never leaves the property or gets zapped. Never.

Over here lots of properties do not have fences around properties, so there is nothing to stop a dog roaming for miles around the neigbourhood or running out onto the street/road where there is obviously the danger of traffic.

If it was a case of my dog initially getting a zap once, possibly twice or being hit by a car.........I know which I would choose every time.
It's certainly saved the lives of countless dogs............and horrendous vet bills for the survivors.
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Good post kid...pure bred dogs are a different barra entirely..ive seen plenty of owners crying after unsuccessfully failing with a recall and having to watch their juckel leg it across a motorway.

The irish would use em on the tall terriers irish, wheaten, kerry that lived at the farmhouse back door but knew not to napper the free range chickens and run badger/fox to the other side of the invisible wall the master created.

*ive never needed to use one, simply cause i wouldnt entertain a pure breed.
 
WestGorton said:
Anything that mitigates animal cruelty has my full support. Well done to the government.
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Woke gone mad. Animal cruelty used to be all the rage. Rather than stigmatise or punish those who do it, we should see it as a medical / mental health condition for which they need help. Ultimately it's a valid preference and those who do it need our support.
 
My neighbour wouldn't use a collar, would he feck..
Ive had one dog outlive three labs that he's owned (3)..all three died of weight..he's a cruel fecker, no danger. Sick actually.

Yeah..there's uses for collars cause legally shotgunning a rogue dogs head off isnt cruel

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Slipper One said:
'Among the Government’s plans for pet welfare is the consultation on banning shock collars, amid worries they could be causing harm to pets.' BBC News.

Believe it or not, being hit by a car causes much more harm to a dog.
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Animal cruelty at its highest, thats why I use mine on my kids!

on a serious note, very true on being hit by a car!
 
My brother got an adult dog that was an absolute nutter. It would bark and jump up at people, and when out for walks it would chase and attack other dogs and any other animals. He ended up getting one of these collars and it worked a treat. It wasn’t used for long but it did the job.

Ideally dogs are all trained how to behave as puppies but there will always be occasions when a mad adult dog will need training and these collars work. Silly to ban them but maybe there needs to be rules about when and how they can be used.
 
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