Canine Shock Collars.

[mosssideblue]

I think it's train your dogs and keep them under control before you have to resort to electric shock treatment

If it gets to that stage, it’s the owners who want zapping

 

[Fat Chance]

I think it's train your dogs and keep them under control before you have to resort to electric shock treatment

It's not that simple trb...there are lines of dogs within specific breeds that are nothing like the chocalate box story and far far beyond any tweed jacketed dog trainer on itv.
Its not necessarily the electric chair that spooks a rascal of a dog into behaving. An hard blood type can very very often be brought to book by means of operating a buzzer facility only..its not the hz its the 'wtf was that' when a dogs told its handler to feck off i'm off owt. Its almost like a great big fearsome heavyweight being fearless for a read & write but mimmick a ghost appearing and the unknown is just the ticket to change their outlook.
Of course they can be mis-used by knobrots but anything in life can be mis-used..i prefer to view em like theyre akin to having 80ft arms and at that distance if a dog is gonna cause damage then i could with a collar do the cesar milan 'psst' finger poke in the body..except it not finger, it electronic on its neck. Cesars 'psst' came from studying bitches with young pups..correcting em with a nip..the cruel bastards.

Seen a chap yrs ago with a nice line of border terriers i was thinking of introducing into a dam i had...thankfully he was honest fella and told me not to use his blood, it was too hard..i asked him what he meant, he said see this one with half an ear it got out 6 month ago and killed the local bull terrier..its hard blood...there are spaniels the same, plenty of jagd terriers, patterdales, kerrys the belgian malys are too hot for the police trainers.

Dogs that cant breath from birth should be banned.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

With a dog training is either patience or convenience.

My dog runs at other dogs and the only way to stop them is to get out some food.

My dog barks at other dogs and the only way to stop them is to get out their ball.

My dog pulls on the lead and I can't stop them.

My dog barks and goes nuts when anyone comes to the door and the only way to stop them is to lock them in the back room.

My dog is so fucking bored and devoid of any enrichment that the moment they go in the back garden they have this "weird" need to escape so the only way to stop them is to shock the fucker.

Lazy owners do my head in.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

It's not that simple trb...there are lines of dogs within specific breeds that are nothing like the chocalate box story and far far beyond any tweed jacketed dog trainer on itv.
Its not necessarily the electric chair that spooks a rascal of a dog into behaving. An hard blood type can very very often be brought to book by means of operating a buzzer facility only..its not the hz its the 'wtf was that' when a dogs told its handler to feck off i'm off owt. Its almost like a great big fearsome heavyweight being fearless for a read & write but mimmick a ghost appearing and the unknown is just the ticket to change their outlook.
Of course they can be mis-used by knobrots but anything in life can be mis-used..i prefer to view em like theyre akin to having 80ft arms and at that distance if a dog is gonna cause damage then i could with a collar do the cesar milan 'psst' finger poke in the body..except it not finger, it electronic on its neck. Cesars 'psst' came from studying bitches with young pups..correcting em with a nip..the cruel bastards.

Seen a chap yrs ago with a nice line of border terriers i was thinking of introducing into a dam i had...thankfully he was honest fella and told me not to use his blood, it was too hard..i asked him what he meant, he said see this one with half an ear it got out 6 month ago and killed the local bull terrier..its hard blood...there are spaniels the same, plenty of jagd terriers, patterdales, kerrys the belgian malys are too hot for the police trainers.

Dogs that cant breath from birth should be banned.

Ha ha....been on the receiving end of quite a few Belgian shephards. I used to play guinea pig for woman who trained them for security, tracking and pursuit purposes....incredibly powerful dogs, happy days.

 

[Slipper One]

Anything that mitigates animal cruelty has my full support. Well done to the government.

Perhaps the Govt should focus on real animal cruelty like dog fighting etc.........but that would require just a little bit of effort wouldn't it. Better stick to easier targets.

If you are so concerned about animal cruelty, perhaps you could put your efforts into identifying these illegal bloodsports and notify the police when you find something, instead of sitting behind your keyboard spouting off about something you have no knowledge of.


First you need to define and understand cruelty and responsibility.

Is it cruelty to expose your dog to the dangers of traffic or is it responsible ownership to eliminate that option?
Is it responsible ownership to allow your dog to travel the neighbourhood as it wishes or should your dog be contained?
Is it more responsible ownership to allow the dog total freedom of your garden, or have it spend its days tied to the end of a rope?

 

[big gaz]

Perhaps the Govt should focus on real animal cruelty like dog fighting etc.........but that would require just a little bit of effort wouldn't it. Better stick to easier targets.

If you are so concerned about animal cruelty, perhaps you could put your efforts into identifying these illegal bloodsports and notify the police when you find something, instead of sitting behind your keyboard spouting off about something you have no knowledge of.


First you need to define and understand cruelty and responsibility.

Is it cruelty to expose your dog to the dangers of traffic or is it responsible ownership to eliminate that option?
Is it responsible ownership to allow your dog to travel the neighbourhood as it wishes or should your dog be contained?
Is it more responsible ownership to allow the dog total freedom of your garden, or have it spend its days tied to the end of a rope?

Your own dog should be under control at all times end of !

 

[Slipper One]

Your own dog should be under control at all times end of !

When I had dogs (4 - Lab x Border Collie) they were extremely intelligent, obedient and well trained, in many ways perfect family dogs.

However, there would be no guarantee that if they were outside unsupervised, that they would not leave the property to greet anybody walking by, especially if they themselves had a dog.

I would challenge you or anybody else to train that out of them.......or to fully trust them in that situation.

 

[citizen_maine]

When I had dogs (4 - Lab x Border Collie) they were extremely intelligent, obedient and well trained, in many ways perfect family dogs.

However, there would be no guarantee that if they were outside unsupervised, that they would not leave the property to greet anybody walking by, especially if they themselves had a dog.

I would challenge you or anybody else to train that out of them.......or to fully trust them in that situation.

why would they be able to leave your property if unsupervised?

 

[Slipper One]

why would they be able to leave your property if unsupervised?

No fences, walls or hedges around many properties over here, just the property and then the road or neigbours.

 

[stonerblue]

When I had dogs (4 - Lab x Border Collie) they were extremely intelligent, obedient and well trained, in many ways perfect family dogs.

However, there would be no guarantee that if they were outside unsupervised, that they would not leave the property to greet anybody walking by, especially if they themselves had a dog.

I would challenge you or anybody else to train that out of them.......or to fully trust them in that situation.

Why don't you have a fence?

 

[fulabeer]

I saw these in Florida once and never knew they were available here. I thought "how cruel" at the time.

I soon learned that many of my customers in the larger houses/estate here in fact did use them.
These properties are just too large to have completely uncompromised fencing. There are also parts of the property where it would be too dangerous for the dogs to be, and fencing impractical.

So while it may seem cruel and only used by lazy or shite uncaring owners, they are in fact used to protect the dogs from harm. At least the owners i've met, care deeply for their dogs.
Most said they tried the collars on themselves to see the level of pain. I didn't ask which part of the body!

Dogs are not like sheep or cows, they get the message almost straight away. The collars vibrate long before they shock. So the dogs divert before the next stage. They also learn the limits, so avoid the areas even when not wearing the collars.

People need to get off this utopian fantasy that everything can live without any pain of discomfort. Real life/nature can be brutal. So sometimes a little pain for the right reasons, is much preferable to the consequences of not doing something.

 

[big gaz]

When I had dogs (4 - Lab x Border Collie) they were extremely intelligent, obedient and well trained, in many ways perfect family dogs.

However, there would be no guarantee that if they were outside unsupervised, that they would not leave the property to greet anybody walking by, especially if they themselves had a dog.

I would challenge you or anybody else to train that out of them.......or to fully trust them in that situation.

If the dog is on a lead it is under control by you the owner or the handler of the dog.

 

[idahoblues]

I saw these in Florida once and never knew they were available here. I thought "how cruel" at the time.

I soon learned that many of my customers in the larger houses/estate here in fact did use them.
These properties are just too large to have completely uncompromised fencing. There are also parts of the property where it would be too dangerous for the dogs to be, and fencing impractical.

So while it may seem cruel and only used by lazy or shite uncaring owners, they are in fact used to protect the dogs from harm. At least the owners i've met, care deeply for their dogs.
Most said they tried the collars on themselves to see the level of pain. I didn't ask which part of the body!

Dogs are not like sheep or cows, they get the message almost straight away. The collars vibrate long before they shock. So the dogs divert before the next stage. They also learn the limits, so avoid the areas even when not wearing the collars.

People need to get off this utopian fantasy that everything can live without any pain of discomfort. Real life/nature can be brutal. So sometimes a little pain for the right reasons, is much preferable to the consequences of not doing something.

How dare you post a reasonable response!?
The jury has decided that a lead is all that’s needed and by god anything else is animal cruelty…..ah, bless Bluemoon

 

[Fat Chance]

They also use em to thin coyotes..who have become too successful and have started sniffing ( mobbed) around outdoor pets or kids. They send three airedales or plotthounds out to seek em and watch the story via binocs when theyve found and bolted the pack they put the hz sqeeze on the collar wearer and it squeels and generally acts troubled like its injured turning around knowing the squeeze is the signal its hometime and dinners ready. The coyote pack have heard the squeel and the chase back is reversed...heading straight towards the binocular watcher who is ready and waiting with his cross hairs.

I think from memory it was the airedales that were noted to have done this caper without wearing a collar twice..shown it once and had it taped...right down to the squeel and pretending something is stuck in its paw.

The collars were never that successfull£ in sales..not just cause of the cost but because they were redundant pretty sharply...so much so hiring em took over straight purchases.

 

[Marklr]

I got one for the missus...best Christmas present i've ever bought.

 

[coolcity]

Perhaps we could make child collars too.

Statistically, more people are killed and injured by children than they are by dogs.

 

[coolcity]

My brother got an adult dog that was an absolute nutter. It would bark and jump up at people, and when out for walks it would chase and attack other dogs and any other animals. He ended up getting one of these collars and it worked a treat. It wasn’t used for long but it did the job.

Ideally dogs are all trained how to behave as puppies but there will always be occasions when a mad adult dog will need training and these collars work. Silly to ban them but maybe there needs to be rules about when and how they can be used.

The problem is you'll get people who abuse them, and it's the worst kind that will, generally those who are cruel to animals in the first place. To some of those continually zapping their dog would just be a bit of fun.

 

[coolcity]

When I had dogs (4 - Lab x Border Collie) they were extremely intelligent, obedient and well trained, in many ways perfect family dogs.

However, there would be no guarantee that if they were outside unsupervised, that they would not leave the property to greet anybody walking by, especially if they themselves had a dog.

I would challenge you or anybody else to train that out of them.......or to fully trust them in that situation.

Then it's not under control is it.

 

[idahoblues]

They also use em to thin coyotes..who have become too successful and have started sniffing ( mobbed) around outdoor pets or kids. They send three airedales or plotthounds out to seek em and watch the story via binocs when theyve found and bolted the pack they put the hz sqeeze on the collar wearer and it squeels and generally acts troubled like its injured turning around knowing the squeeze is the signal its hometime and dinners ready. The coyote pack have heard the squeel and the chase back is reversed...heading straight towards the binocular watcher who is ready and waiting with his cross hairs.

I think from memory it was the airedales that were noted to have done this caper without wearing a collar twice..shown it once and had it taped...right down to the squeel and pretending something is stuck in its paw.

The collars were never that successfull£ in sales..not just cause of the cost but because they were redundant pretty sharply...so much so hiring em took over straight purchases.

Coyotes are a real pest around here, a few years back a friend had several dogs penned off on several acres.A tree lined creek ran by his place, a natural corridor for wildlife. Several times he’d see a coyote limping back and forth at the edge of the trees, with the rest of the pack hiding and waiting to lure his dogs in, Wiley little critters.

 

[Slipper One]

Your own dog should be under control at all times end of !

So the dogs should have been inside at all times, unless I was outside on the property with them?

Ridiculous....end of!