Carlos Tevez

[baildon blue]

He wants a move to Monaco.I hope he gets it .

 

[LoveCity]

Juve to make a major effort to sign Carlos in the next 7 days according to Tuttosport. Seems than Milan may not have raised the money yet (Robinho's sale) so Juve are looking to maybe get it done fast.

 

[6one]

Yes it is. How many great teams play 4-4-2? Bayern, Real, Barca even the rags don't play that.

So because those teams do not play 4-4-2, that means it is dead in the premiership or we cannot employ it in certain situations or matches as a valid alternative to 4-3-3, which is what my original post suggested if you actually read it properly.

442 is a valid option for us especially if we get Cavani and keep Dzeko.

Last season we had neither the midfield with a work rate and energy nor the wingers and the overall pace in the team to play 4 4 2 - this seaosn with different players and a who knows - 4 4 2 mean that the middle 2 of the 4 have to br able to cover lots of ground be able to put their foot in and generally have a high work rate

The problem in England is obvious from this discussion.

That people focus on systems. The England team, if told to play 4-2-3-1 as people keep claiming will miraculously cure their problems, would go and stand in those positions on the pitch and never deviate from them.

When the whistle is blown, the team should keep their shape in defence but be fluid in order to be successful in attack, which requires intelligent movement rather than a rigid formation of any kind.

This is the main reason why Benitez's teams are so frustrating/boring to watch, because he insists his teams stick fairly rigidly to their shape.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Juve set to offer us 10.5m apparently and pay wages of about 100k according to Gazzetta.

 

[Neville Kneville]

So because those teams do not play 4-4-2, that means it is dead in the premiership or we cannot employ it in certain situations or matches as a valid alternative to 4-3-3, which is what my original post suggested if you actually read it properly.

442 is a valid option for us especially if we get Cavani and keep Dzeko.

Last season we had neither the midfield with a work rate and energy nor the wingers and the overall pace in the team to play 4 4 2 - this seaosn with different players and a who knows - 4 4 2 mean that the middle 2 of the 4 have to br able to cover lots of ground be able to put their foot in and generally have a high work rate

The problem in England is obvious from this discussion.

That people focus on systems. The England team, if told to play 4-2-3-1 as people keep claiming will miraculously cure their problems, would go and stand in those positions on the pitch and never deviate from them.

When the whistle is blown, the team should keep their shape in defence but be fluid in order to be successful in attack, which requires intelligent movement rather than a rigid formation of any kind.

This is the main reason why Benitez's teams are so frustrating/boring to watch, because he insists his teams stick fairly rigidly to their shape.

Pellegrini won't.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Juve to make a major effort to sign Carlos in the next 7 days according to Tuttosport. Seems than Milan may not have raised the money yet (Robinho's sale) so Juve are looking to maybe get it done fast.

Corriere dello sport are saying galliani is flying to brazil tonight to close the robinho deal with santos..the money raised will be used to sort out a deal for tevez....they are talking 8-9 million,doesn't say euro or pounds.

 

[FantasyIreland]

So,given the probabilities,the only definitive striking option for next season is Aguero.

Our team may well be unrecognisable come August,i cant wait!

 

[SPIDERBOY]

ROME - AC Milan and Juventus are chasing Apache'' s', but the race has just begun. TO LEARN MORE Via Robinho, Tevez arrives, challenge with Juventus Milan.The Argentine striker, in fact spoke to Radio Cooperativa to do some 'order about the many market rumors. "Do not really know anything about my future - Tevez wanted to clarify - I have to wait for news. At the moment I'm on vacation and I have not spoken to anyone. "Rossoneri and Juventus, meanwhile, are working with the first time that seem to lead through strategies Galliani.

 

[Bluesiam]

ROME - AC Milan and Juventus are chasing Apache'' s', but the race has just begun. TO LEARN MORE Via Robinho, Tevez arrives, challenge with Juventus Milan.The Argentine striker, in fact spoke to Radio Cooperativa to do some 'order about the many market rumors. "Do not really know anything about my future - Tevez wanted to clarify - I have to wait for news. At the moment I'm on vacation and I have not spoken to anyone. "Rossoneri and Juventus, meanwhile, are working with the first time that seem to lead through strategies Galliani.

Que?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

ROME - AC Milan and Juventus are chasing Apache'' s', but the race has just begun. TO LEARN MORE Via Robinho, Tevez arrives, challenge with Juventus Milan.The Argentine striker, in fact spoke to Radio Cooperativa to do some 'order about the many market rumors. "Do not really know anything about my future - Tevez wanted to clarify - I have to wait for news. At the moment I'm on vacation and I have not spoken to anyone. "Rossoneri and Juventus, meanwhile, are working with the first time that seem to lead through strategies Galliani.

Que?

Just pointing out,if tevez himself knows fuck all,how can anybody else?

 

[NorCalBlue]

ROME - AC Milan and Juventus are chasing Apache'' s', but the race has just begun. TO LEARN MORE Via Robinho, Tevez arrives, challenge with Juventus Milan.The Argentine striker, in fact spoke to Radio Cooperativa to do some 'order about the many market rumors. "Do not really know anything about my future - Tevez wanted to clarify - I have to wait for news. At the moment I'm on vacation and I have not spoken to anyone. "Rossoneri and Juventus, meanwhile, are working with the first time that seem to lead through strategies Galliani.

Que?

Just pointing out,if tevez himself knows fuck all,how can anybody else?

I suspect Kia might know something before Tevez does :-)

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Que?

Just pointing out,if tevez himself knows fuck all,how can anybody else?

I suspect Kia might know something before Tevez does :-)

Probably right there..

 

[cmdub]

Pretty clearly we're trying to shift tevez and with juve looking like they're set to lose out on higuain and the skints at Milan not having the money yet it doesn't seem like juve are gonna hang around and are trying to close tevez deal now.

 

[LHarper]

His omission off the official facebook page post/picture about seasoncard sales after being on it a few weeks ago is probably an indicator that he definitely won't be with us for much longer.

 

[MihaiCity]

His omission off the official facebook page post/picture about seasoncard sales after being on it a few weeks ago is probably an indicator that he definitely won't be with us for much longer.

i think if we sell him we will take jovetic as his replacement(first refusal) and cavani as dzeko and ballo replacement

 

[NorCalBlue]

I hope we get rid of him and I think we'll be better off without him.

(a) Financially: If we don't extend his contract, we pay a very large salary for the year and lose any money we could get this summer. If we do extend his contract, it's unlikely to be for less money than he's currently on, and for the money we pay him, we could probably pay 2 (or even 3) top players under the new wage structure. However, there's no real reason for him to extend anyway, as he'll command a bigger salary next year if he's free (at this point, he may not care so much about the money, but I know someone who does...).

(b) On the Field: There's no doubt he's a great player who has won quite a few games for us during his time here. However, for me he's not the guy for a very top-level club. Ask Ferguson, ask Sabella. He's great when there's no one else who's gonna win the game for you, but I don't think he's a great team player most of the time. His instinct is to do it on his own, and he's pretty good at that. He saved West Ham almost single-handed, but at a team with so many more options, I don't think his decision-making is always the best. He ought to be at a second-tier club like Everton or Sparky's City, where he really is the best bet to win the game. As far as I'm concerned, the way he plays makes him look good, but at the expense of the team. Which is ironic, since his high work-rate is often touted as evidence that he's the ultimate team-player.

There's no way anyone could possibly disagree with that...

 

[chris63]

Pellegrini and Tevez looking forward to partnering up at Man City next year ahead of the new Premier League season

 

[fatbloke]

I hope we get rid of him and I think we'll be better off without him.

(a) Financially: If we don't extend his contract, we pay a very large salary for the year and lose any money we could get this summer. If we do extend his contract, it's unlikely to be for less money than he's currently on, and for the money we pay him, we could probably pay 2 (or even 3) top players under the new wage structure. However, there's no real reason for him to extend anyway, as he'll command a bigger salary next year if he's free (at this point, he may not care so much about the money, but I know someone who does...).

(b) On the Field: There's no doubt he's a great player who has won quite a few games for us during his time here. However, for me he's not the guy for a very top-level club. Ask Ferguson, ask Sabella. He's great when there's no one else who's gonna win the game for you, but I don't think he's a great team player most of the time. His instinct is to do it on his own, and he's pretty good at that. He saved West Ham almost single-handed, but at a team with so many more options, I don't think his decision-making is always the best. He ought to be at a second-tier club like Everton or Sparky's City, where he really is the best bet to win the game. As far as I'm concerned, the way he plays makes him look good, but at the expense of the team. Which is ironic, since his high work-rate is often touted as evidence that he's the ultimate team-player.

There's no way anyone could possibly disagree with that...

Absolutely bang on pal.

 

[Rolee]

I hope we get rid of him and I think we'll be better off without him.

(a) Financially: If we don't extend his contract, we pay a very large salary for the year and lose any money we could get this summer. If we do extend his contract, it's unlikely to be for less money than he's currently on, and for the money we pay him, we could probably pay 2 (or even 3) top players under the new wage structure. However, there's no real reason for him to extend anyway, as he'll command a bigger salary next year if he's free (at this point, he may not care so much about the money, but I know someone who does...).

(b) On the Field: There's no doubt he's a great player who has won quite a few games for us during his time here. However, for me he's not the guy for a very top-level club. Ask Ferguson, ask Sabella. He's great when there's no one else who's gonna win the game for you, but I don't think he's a great team player most of the time. His instinct is to do it on his own, and he's pretty good at that. He saved West Ham almost single-handed, but at a team with so many more options, I don't think his decision-making is always the best. He ought to be at a second-tier club like Everton or Sparky's City, where he really is the best bet to win the game. As far as I'm concerned, the way he plays makes him look good, but at the expense of the team. Which is ironic, since his high work-rate is often touted as evidence that he's the ultimate team-player.

There's no way anyone could possibly disagree with that...

What gets me is that more people can't see this, your assessment of his on field contribution is absolutely spot on.

 

[Bluesiam]

I hope we get rid of him and I think we'll be better off without him.

(a) Financially: If we don't extend his contract, we pay a very large salary for the year and lose any money we could get this summer. If we do extend his contract, it's unlikely to be for less money than he's currently on, and for the money we pay him, we could probably pay 2 (or even 3) top players under the new wage structure. However, there's no real reason for him to extend anyway, as he'll command a bigger salary next year if he's free (at this point, he may not care so much about the money, but I know someone who does...).

(b) On the Field: There's no doubt he's a great player who has won quite a few games for us during his time here. However, for me he's not the guy for a very top-level club. Ask Ferguson, ask Sabella. He's great when there's no one else who's gonna win the game for you, but I don't think he's a great team player most of the time. His instinct is to do it on his own, and he's pretty good at that. He saved West Ham almost single-handed, but at a team with so many more options, I don't think his decision-making is always the best. He ought to be at a second-tier club like Everton or Sparky's City, where he really is the best bet to win the game. As far as I'm concerned, the way he plays makes him look good, but at the expense of the team. Which is ironic, since his high work-rate is often touted as evidence that he's the ultimate team-player.

There's no way anyone could possibly disagree with that...

I could absolutely disagree with that....... but won't. This is a great post.