charity workers around town

[Lavinda Past]

OK Could you clear up a few points then please.
1) Are Chuggers comission based.
2) Are they paid above the min wage.
3) Do they have set targets.

when i worked for Avanta they wanted me to send customers for vacancies for these twats.

the pay for the chuggers was £7 ph with a £100 bonus if they got 10 DD's signed up per week

Was that cash in hand?

If so, this thread may not have long to go....

 

[scall11]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/get-paid-10-per-hour-as-a-street-fundraiser-and-make-a-difference/1034975657" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/get-paid- ... 1034975657</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/help-people-in-crisis-with-the-red-cross-weekly-pay-street-fundraiser/1039603062" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/help-peop ... 1039603062</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/travel-the-uk-fundraising-charity-fundraiser-accomm-travel-paid-280pw/1020908927" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/travel-th ... 1020908927</a>

Now, in the last one, they must make a fortune if they can afford to treat their chuggers like that.

 

[talkativesprout]

OK Could you clear up a few points then please.
1) Are Chuggers comission based.
2) Are they paid above the min wage.
3) Do they have set targets.

when i worked for Avanta they wanted me to send customers for vacancies for these twats.

the pay for the chuggers was £7 ph with a £100 bonus if they got 10 DD's signed up per week

Was that cash in hand?



If so, this thread may not have long to go....

No mate...I would have jacked my job and gone on to be a pavement terrorist myself if it was :)

 

[Lavinda Past]

when i worked for Avanta they wanted me to send customers for vacancies for these twats.

the pay for the chuggers was £7 ph with a £100 bonus if they got 10 DD's signed up per week

Was that cash in hand?



If so, this thread may not have long to go....

No mate...I would have jacked my job and gone on to be a pavement terrorist myself if it was :)

Hmmm... Potential tax dodger.... Someone should start a thread.

;)

 

[Southbanken]

I can't understand why people get annoyed by being approached in the street - it really doesnt signifcantly impact you in anyway whatsoever. Just smile say no thanks and move on. How hard is that? Talk about first world problems!! If this is all you have to worry about then you have a pretty cushy number.

I know some people who have done this job and they have been sworn at, spat at and punched after being ignored for most of the day adn standing in the pissing cold rain all day - not much fun eh!

As for them being paid (or indeed anyone who works for a Charity getting paid) again i dont get your problem. As long as they generate a positive revenue for the Charity (which they do) then surely it is in the benefit of the Charity and therefore a positive (assuming that you support the goals of the Charity in the first place).

Disclaimer: My other half works for a Charity so i have a vested interest but i also know a hell of a lot more about it than most of you guys.

OK Could you clear up a few points then please.
1) Are Chuggers comission based.
2) Are they paid above the min wage.
3) Do they have set targets.
4) What percentage actually get's to the charity.
5) What's the average wage of a CEO or Director of these companies.

Average salary of a UK CEO is reported at a little under £100k per annum. The CEO of Save The Children was reported in the DT last August to have risen from £140k to £170k. The paper also reported that there are thirty people at the DEC who receive in excess of £100k.

Save the children 2012 annual report:

Chief Executive pay:
In 2012 Save the Children’s chief executive, Justin Forsyth, earned £163,000. To run an organisation that reaches 10 million children in more than 50 countries, with thousands of staff, in some of the toughest places in the world, takes real leadership, experience, knowledge and skill.

In the past 5 years, we have almost doubled our income from £161 million to £284 million, enabling us to reach more of the neediest children on earth than at any point in our 90 year history. We are very ambitious. We want to save more children's lives.

We can't – and shouldn’t compete with salaries in the private sector, but we need to pay enough to ensure we get the best people to help our work to stop children dying needless deaths.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/resources/online-library/annual-report-2012" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/resou ... eport-2012</a>

Doubling income in 5 years - I reckon that he was worth it don't you?

Even so, comparing the CEO salary of the 9th largest charity (by income) in the UK against the average salary of all CEOs in the UK is pretty misleading. I would suggest that comparing it against a FTSE 100 company is more of a like for like comparison:

The median total remuneration of FTSE 100 bosses rose by 8 per cent to £3.7m last year as higher share prices gave chief executives a windfall from long-term incentive plans.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f93083de-d055-11e2-a050-00144feab7de.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f93083de-d055 ... ab7de.html</a>

no matter how you dress it up salaries in the charity sector are lower than comparable commercial roles. Also there are no bonuses, minimal expenses and very few perks for these guys when compared with the commercial world!

 

[Southbanken]

Woildnt mind but half these people don't belong to the charity they represent and employed by an agency on behalf of the charity. So I just inform them that I wont give to a charity that can afford to use these companies or ask them how much of their salary they'll be giving.

One thing I am interested in is how many of these 'charities' have Chief Executives and do they get paid the minimum wage or are they part of the army of Chief Executives who believe charity begins in their own pay packets. I am staggered by the money that some of them are on!

I can't understand why people get annoyed by being approached in the street - it really doesnt signifcantly impact you in anyway whatsoever. Just smile say no thanks and move on. How hard is that? Talk about first world problems!! If this is all you have to worry about then you have a pretty cushy number.

I know some people who have done this job and they have been sworn at, spat at and punched after being ignored for most of the day adn standing in the pissing cold rain all day - not much fun eh!

As for them being paid (or indeed anyone who works for a Charity getting paid) again i dont get your problem. As long as they generate a positive revenue for the Charity (which they do) then surely it is in the benefit of the Charity and therefore a positive (assuming that you support the goals of the Charity in the first place).

Disclaimer: My other half works for a Charity so i have a vested interest but i also know a hell of a lot more about it than most of you guys.

OK Could you clear up a few points then please.
1) Are Chuggers comission based.
2) Are they paid above the min wage.
3) Do they have set targets.
4) What percentage actually get's to the charity.
5) What's the average wage of a CEO or Director of these companies.

Checked with the GF and although none of the ones that she employs are she did say that some chuggers are commission based and can even be purely commission based.

They should all be paid minimum wage but she says that some don't and will have set targets. So I hold my hands up to being wrong. In my defence I only knew about the hoops she makes her agencies jump through, they are set team targets on performance (ie knowledge of the charity and friendliness which is audited by mystery shopping) and attrition rate to avoid the hard sell.

I didn't ask about commission but I do remember a stat from one of the charities that she worked for and that was that for everybody £1 donated 80p went to the cause, this means that everything else, wages, commission, office rent, computers, rates, electric, everything - even CEO salaries was delivered from just 20p of every donation. There isn't a commercial company in the world who drops 80% to the bottom line.

Are all charities perfect no, but if they didnt spend money at every level from CEO to chugging then they wouldn't raise the amazing levels of income they do.

 

[peoffrey]

If you're male and an attractive fundraiser did try and persuade you to support the cause they were working for that day (or vice versa if you're female) then please just contact the charity directly and support them with a regular gift that way. It's more cost-effective. The problem is that enough people don't bother.

If i do this though then the chugger has worked, even if indirectly, and guess what - if this happened with any kind of regularity the larger charitys would spot it and be able to measure this and attribute any local uplift of cash donations to the presence of chuggers.

PS for those who claim it is commision based, I am pretty sure, that this is NOT the case, certainly from memory for the 3 large (UK based) charities that my gf has worked for.

Agree that it is not the most cost effective way of raising funds and has a high attrition rate, but guess what - it does make money, if it didnt then the large charities would can it instantly.

Too many assumptions and nothing concrete to back up what you think. There are less and less street fundraisers around now because charities simply weren't making enough money from it. Your girlfriend wouldn't be privy to information about how much the charities are making but I assure you the general trend is that the street and door to door fundraisers aren't the right way to raise income.

I shouldn't have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity they know comparatively very little about. They're a nuisance on the high street.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

They are just folk trying to earn a crust and raise money for good causes in the process.
If this really bothers you unduly, you must have very little else of magnitude to worry about.
Ignoring someone isn't that hard, once you get used to it.
Being married proves invaluable practice here.

 

[johnny on the spot]

Just appear to be a scruffy maniac and no fucker bothers you. It's you snappy dressers pretending you have loads of money who are targeted.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Just appear to be a scruffy maniac and no fucker bothers you. It's you snappy dressers pretending you have loads of money who are targeted.

That's why I never get pounced on!

 

[Southbanken]

If you're male and an attractive fundraiser did try and persuade you to support the cause they were working for that day (or vice versa if you're female) then please just contact the charity directly and support them with a regular gift that way. It's more cost-effective. The problem is that enough people don't bother.

If i do this though then the chugger has worked, even if indirectly, and guess what - if this happened with any kind of regularity the larger charitys would spot it and be able to measure this and attribute any local uplift of cash donations to the presence of chuggers.

PS for those who claim it is commision based, I am pretty sure, that this is NOT the case, certainly from memory for the 3 large (UK based) charities that my gf has worked for.

Agree that it is not the most cost effective way of raising funds and has a high attrition rate, but guess what - it does make money, if it didnt then the large charities would can it instantly.

Too many assumptions and nothing concrete to back up what you think. There are less and less street fundraisers around now because charities simply weren't making enough money from it. Your girlfriend wouldn't be privy to information about how much the charities are making but I assure you the general trend is that the street and door to door fundraisers aren't the right way to raise income.

I shouldn't have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity they know comparatively very little about. They're a nuisance on the high street.

1. If there are less and less street fundraisers around then why do you have to "have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity" you can't have it both ways.
2. My assumptions are based on an understanding of how three major UK charities fundraise.
3. You have literally no idea what information my girlfriend is privy to.

Fetlocks has it right, these are students / youngsters trying to earn a crust and as a by product they are raising money for charity. God forbid that it should cause you lot a modicum of annoyance. #firstworldproblems

 

[foxy]

I either have ear phones in so I can't hear them or pretend to be on the phone.

 

[peoffrey]

They are just folk trying to earn a crust and raise money for good causes in the process.
If this really bothers you unduly, you must have very little else of magnitude to worry about.
Ignoring someone isn't that hard, once you get used to it.
Being married proves invaluable practice here.

Nobody else ever stops me on the high street when I'm going about my business. I find the Big Issue sellers to be far less passive-aggressive than Charity fundraisers. They're slowly becoming a thing of the past thankfully as more and more charities shelve their campaigns as they're not recruiting enough long term supporters.

When I was with one of the big aid charities, I was actively recording complaints about these people and the tricks they were pulling to register people were incredible.<br /><br />-- Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:05 pm --<br /><br />

Too many assumptions and nothing concrete to back up what you think. There are less and less street fundraisers around now because charities simply weren't making enough money from it. Your girlfriend wouldn't be privy to information about how much the charities are making but I assure you the general trend is that the street and door to door fundraisers aren't the right way to raise income.

I shouldn't have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity they know comparatively very little about. They're a nuisance on the high street.

1. If there are less and less street fundraisers around then why do you have to "have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity" you can't have it both ways.
2. My assumptions are based on an understanding of how three major UK charities fundraise.
3. You have literally no idea what information my girlfriend is privy to.

Fetlocks has it right, these are students / youngsters trying to earn a crust and as a by product they are raising money for charity. God forbid that it should cause you lot a modicum of annoyance. #firstworldproblems

1.) Yes I can. They used to be a daily occurrence on my local high street and the one I have to walk through to get to work and now they're weekly. I won't be happy until they're wiped out all together. Local councils are cutting back the rights they have to fundraise because of the amount of complaints received.

2.) A whopping 3? Wow. There's thousands of good causes out there.

3.) I refuse to believe that someone employed through an Agency has access and details knowledge to how a charity operates. You're talking bollocks and I hope a penny of my own money never benefits such an open and transparent organisation. I imagine it never has...

 

[BatBlue]

If they try to stop me in the street I usually just scream Fuck off in there face and they leave me alone.
or if I answer the door and there is someone stood there with a clip board I just close the door before they start speaking.

and I don't care how non pc it is for me to think this way but anyone who does this job is a fucking sewer rat and deserves complete contempt. The same goes for the dicks that phone me everyday! I hate them all more than I hate Rags.

 

[Southbanken]

They are just folk trying to earn a crust and raise money for good causes in the process.
If this really bothers you unduly, you must have very little else of magnitude to worry about.
Ignoring someone isn't that hard, once you get used to it.
Being married proves invaluable practice here.

Nobody else ever stops me on the high street when I'm going about my business. I find the Big Issue sellers to be far less passive-aggressive than Charity fundraisers. They're slowly becoming a thing of the past thankfully as more and more charities shelve their campaigns as they're not recruiting enough long term supporters.

When I was with one of the big aid charities, I was actively recording complaints about these people and the tricks they were pulling to register people were incredible.

-- Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:05 pm --

1. If there are less and less street fundraisers around then why do you have to "have to walk with my head down and wear earphones simply to avoid the gaze of a 20 something in a bright tabard canvassing for a charity" you can't have it both ways.
2. My assumptions are based on an understanding of how three major UK charities fundraise.
3. You have literally no idea what information my girlfriend is privy to.

Fetlocks has it right, these are students / youngsters trying to earn a crust and as a by product they are raising money for charity. God forbid that it should cause you lot a modicum of annoyance. #firstworldproblems

1.) Yes I can. They used to be a daily occurrence on my local high street and the one I have to walk through to get to work and now they're weekly. I won't be happy until they're wiped out all together. Local councils are cutting back the rights they have to fundraise because of the amount of complaints received.

2.) A whopping 3? Wow. There's thousands of good causes out there.

3.) I refuse to believe that someone employed through an Agency has access and details knowledge to how a charity operates. You're talking bollocks and I hope a penny of my own money never benefits such an open and transparent organisation. I imagine it never has...

I never said that my GF is employed through an agency - you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick. For the last 6 years or so she has worked in the marketing departments of various charities generating hundreds of millions of £ in donations through a host of channels including telemarketing, direct mail, chugging and other low value donations.

My brother spent two years as a chugger in London whilst studying for his masters. He was sworn at on a daily basis, spat at on numerous occasions and punched / kicked on 3 occasions. He was not on a hard sell, just earning some money to support his education.

So trust me I am not "talking bollocks" I am supporting my position with fact (albeit second hand) rather than hyperbole. Clearly you know best though so I am not going to entertain your petty NIMBY ramblings with any further replies but I will leave you with a few final points.


1. Although it does not offer the best possible ROI chugging does deliver a positive return to charities. If it didn't then no-one would do it. Simples.
2. Some private companies make a profit from providing a service to charities - the fact is they provide a service that a charity chooses to outsource (as it is more cost effective to do so). No one will offer this service for free so it has to be paid for through profit.
3. Chugging does absolutely zero harm to any member of the public all you have to do if approached is smile say no thanks and keep walking. Clearly that is too much for some people to cope with.
4. The amount of complaints received compared to the contacts made is in most cases negligible (I'm talking less than 0.1% of contacts leading to complaints).
5. Despite the above because complaints come from a vocal minority ( see the BBC panorama program a couple of years ago) they often have a massive impact, meaning profitable marketing campaigns (chugging, telemarketing, direct mail) are often under threat of being pulled to avoid negative publicity. All this would achieve is good causes loosing invaluable funding.
6. Many agencies are charity specific and have a very good understanding of how the industry operates. This is another benefit to the sector, by working for various organisations thy can develop and deliver insight that a single charity would not be able to collect in isolation.
7.Yes there are indeed thousands of good causes out there which is why charities need to be as professional as possible and seek to maximise revenue from as many channels as possible.

I stated for transparency that my knowledge is based on 3 major charities that my gf has worked for, these charities raised a combined £1,000,000,000 last year and cover a range of causes and given the breadth of their campaigns and products they offer I would imagine (i can almost guarantee) that one way or another you have donated to one of them in the past couple years, I hope that makes you feel good.

 

[stony]

I was surprised just how many beggars pestered me outside the Turks Head when I went out for a smoke.
Every time I went outside I was asked for change or for money to buy someone a drink. When did Manchester get as bad as London ?

 

[another generation]

I was surprised just how many beggars pestered me outside the Turks Head when I went out for a smoke. Every time I went outside I was asked for change or for money to buy someone a drink.

Ah... You didn't see the sign we taped to your back?