Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

Whole of twitter is clips and videos of ‘angry’ Americans declaring war on the left/woke/democrats etc.

Elon Musk must be buzzing.
 
He used to go to universities and debate people reminded me of Simon Jordan in that he would speak very fast thinking it made him look intelligent, when in fact he was a right wing god botherer, same as all the other MAGA nuts thinking if they shout louder they are right. Have a look at him been debated at Oxford university he’s absolutely rinsed by intelligent students and professors something he hardly got in the USA, he was an arsehole in my opinion but like most people didn’t deserve to be shot but then he championed the 2nd amendment!
Simon Jordan must be the only bloke ever to make £80m, buy his boyhood football club in the championship for £10m, not get promoted for 10 year go bankrupt! then sell it for a pound! It's funny when he tries to tell Eddie Hearn about business, whilst saying where Sheik Mansour could improve, with his other bankrupt mates on Talksport!
 
State of this post! The authorities have got no idea who did this but it seems to have triggered you anyway. I'm surprised you didn't mention "woke" in there too!

Accordingly to my paper of choice, the lefty/wokey Guardian, "He [Kirk] is also known for his inflammatory, often racist and xenophobic commentary, particularly on college campuses."

Those views don't align with mine, anyone I know or those of most decent people. If they align with yours then I will bid you a good day and suggest you get some help.
Strange, most decent people I know hold the same views as myself, and we will be praying for his family and friends during this terrible time for them. Obviously your views are that your views, and whatever they may be, even your twisted morals can see this is an abhorrent thing.
Next you'll be defending the black guy who stabbed the innocent women and the tram in the US.
You should be a detective if you can solve crimes so quickly without any evidence.
Actually, funny you should mention it.
 
Ehmm...so women are to blame for rapes, LGBTQ for homophobia etc.? Victim blaming is not a very nice thing to do. Free speech is dead.

Exactly, I am what most would describe as a centrist, but some posts on this thread are disgusting. A 31 year old gets obviously targeted for his political beliefs and some mock his death. That's how you make extremism acceptable, and create an even more dangerous and fucked up world than it already is. It seems like you can't have any controversial views or you will get killed for it? What the fuck is wrong with some people?!
It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that they can have the Second Amendment.
 
Very sad, but ultimately just a lady getting stabbed on a train in America. Take away the emotive elements and it's just one of many homicides in the USA every day
Well yeah, but completely unprovoked murders are still a very rare and shocking thing. It's different to gang violence or even an argument escalating.
 
It’s not a simple fact yet. We don’t know the motive.

If you are fearful for your life because of an opinion you HAVE then the logical thing to do is to shut the fuck up and don’t offer your opinion in public.

Without trying to sound callous, no one on earth would have known who Kirk was had he held all the exact same opinions but been a gardener or something.

It doesn’t make what happened right in any way, shape or form. But nothing and no one is forcing you to offer your opinion in public. I repeat: nothing and no one.
Ah, the "just keep it private" solution. Stay in the closet. Don't draw that cartoon in case some terrorists try to murder you. The reality is that he probably didn't fear for his life, because he rather reasonably thought he lived in a country where you could publicly express your views without risk of murder. Turns out that was a naive assumption, and you're right that Trump and his cronies share a lot of the blame for making it that way, but let's not pretend "you don't have to say anything" is a valid solution to threats of political violence.
 
It’s not a simple fact yet. We don’t know the motive.

If you are fearful for your life because of an opinion you HAVE then the logical thing to do is to shut the fuck up and don’t offer your opinion in public.

Without trying to sound callous, no one on earth would have known who Kirk was had he held all the exact same opinions but been a gardener or something.

It doesn’t make what happened right in any way, shape or form. But nothing and no one is forcing you to offer your opinion in public. I repeat: nothing and no one.
So live in fear and don’t share a perfectly valid politically opinion? I suppose you think the same about the editors who were brutally murdered at Charlie hebdo? (For satirical cartoons that some nutcases we’re offended by).

You’re suggesting to not share controversial opinions and then you won’t get killed. This isn’t communist Russia or dictatorship - I find your defence of this really odd and against pretty much every western value that we have.
 
It’s not a simple fact yet. We don’t know the motive.

If you are fearful for your life because of an opinion you HAVE then the logical thing to do is to shut the fuck up and don’t offer your opinion in public.

Without trying to sound callous, no one on earth would have known who Kirk was had he held all the exact same opinions but been a gardener or something.

It doesn’t make what happened right in any way, shape or form. But nothing and no one is forcing you to offer your opinion in public. I repeat: nothing and no one.
Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie sanders get assassinated for speaking publicly about Gaza and against the Isreal government. The killer then gives the reason of doing it because he didn’t like their views.

Should they have not spoken in public then and kept their view private?

Do you see how what your saying makes zero sense.
 
Look no one deserves to be killed outright and without nuance, but the guy has receipts for the abhorrent shit he's said all over the internet. About gun law most pertinently in this case.

His views were not far off facistic, and I'm not going to pretend I'm mourning the death, I saw thousands of laughing emojis on a post on facebook yesterday about someone seeking asylum drowning in the channel and the likes of the people mourning this guy could very well be complicit in that. I'm not celebrating his death but I sure as hell am not going to pretend I'm upset about it.

 
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Forget Charlie Kirk for a moment and just focus on the fact that the current POTUS has ordered all flags in the USA to be lowered to half staff for a period of respect for the death of an extreme right wing, racist, social commentator and podcaster just because he said nice things about him, and realised just how fucking insane that is.
 
It will, if it bothers you, I dont give a shit.
A man has been brutally murdered in front of his family, he was a Christian and his faith was front and central to his life, so yeah, I will say a prayer for him and his family.
I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.
 
It was almost certainly premeditated, but we don't know yet know if it was unprovoked.
The Ukrainian girl's murder? I haven't actually seen it, just going off people's descriptions on here. But the point I was making was more that high levels of homicide are often down to wider criminal activity and organized crime, so your average person probably feels like if they're not involved in that world, it doesn't really affect them (even though sometimes it does).
 
So live in fear and don’t share a perfectly valid politically opinion? I suppose you think the same about the editors who were brutally murdered at Charlie hebdo? (For satirical cartoons that some nutcases we’re offended by).

You’re suggesting to not share controversial opinions and then you won’t get killed. This isn’t communist Russia or dictatorship - I find your defence of this really odd and against pretty much every western value that we have.

It's the same argument used against the Palestine Action proscription protests. "They know they run the risk of arrest, so they shouldn't protest". Nonsense there and nonsense here.
 

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