Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

JASR said:
your starter for 10:
He said that gays should be stoned to death.
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I didn’t find credible evidence that Charlie Kirk ever explicitly said that gays should be stoned to death.

Source: Chat GPT.
 
meltonblue said:
You’ve clearly made that up about his position on empathy, to be fair. Not sure why given he’s explicit about it and it’s widely available.
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You said:​

Does Charlie Kirk believe in empathy

ChatGPT said:​

Here’s what I found about Charlie Kirk and what he has said/driven toward “empathy,” plus how that lines up with what people mean when they talk about empathy. Happy to dig further if you want more examples.

What Charlie Kirk​

  • He has expressed criticism of the word “empathy.” For example, in October 2022 he said:

    “I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.” Mediaite
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    He contrasted empathy with sympathy, saying he prefers sympathy. Mediaite
  • On his show he has discussed “toxic empathy” (or empathy being used in harmful ways). For example, episodes with Allie Beth Stuckey talk about how empathy can be weaponized or used in ways that undermine other values (e.g. enforcing law, cultural assimilation, etc.). Muck Rack+2The Charlie Kirk Show+2
  • There is a more nuanced comment in one podcast where he says empathy is a virtue (in some contexts) but warns about “suicidal empathy”—that is, empathy taken to extremes or empathy that leads to choices he considers impractical or harmful. iHeart

Source: Chat GPT.

We have all made moronic claims that can be taken out of context, it doesn't warrant a death sentence.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
Yes it was. Because saying everyone not believing Charlie Kirk should have been murdered would celebrate Greta Thunberg being killed is fucking weird.

I'm sure not everyone's moral compass is dictated on whether they agree with that person politically.
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Well I'm fucking weird then.

You're 100 per cent sure that not everyone's moral compass is dictated on whether they agree with their politics or not?

Yet I see so much stuff about Charlie Kirk and barely zero around Melissa Hortman dying. Including from Donald Trump. Who is now close to giving the American Presidency version of a sainthood to Kirk but seems to have conveniently discarded Hortman being politically assassinated.
 
Don't the security personnel at these political gatherings in the US ever check the adjacent rooftops until it's too late? Isn't that the sort of location you'd expect to find a sniper?
 
Haaland94 said:
This response warrants more, right?

I think the idea that people have different opinions is too much for some. I wonder what they would do if they were to find out some of our players have some right-wing views, and they do. The horror.

Sometimes I don't know how some function out there in the real world. Is it all just personal attacks and violenece? Congratulations, you are what you accuse Charlie Kirk to be.

I can get along with people representing all views as long as they are not violent. I have far-left friends, far-right friends. We agree to disagree. It's good to talk, share values. We all have various ones.

Charlie Kirk had some crazy opinions (for me). Some good opinions too. He hasn't hurt anyone. How can anyone be okay with assaination. It's insanity.
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Can you point me in the direction of one of these good opinions?
 
Haaland94 said:

You said:​

Does Charlie Kirk believe in empathy

ChatGPT said:​

Here’s what I found about Charlie Kirk and what he has said/driven toward “empathy,” plus how that lines up with what people mean when they talk about empathy. Happy to dig further if you want more examples.

What Charlie Kirk​

  • He has expressed criticism of the word “empathy.” For example, in October 2022 he said:


    He contrasted empathy with sympathy, saying he prefers sympathy. Mediaite
  • On his show he has discussed “toxic empathy” (or empathy being used in harmful ways). For example, episodes with Allie Beth Stuckey talk about how empathy can be weaponized or used in ways that undermine other values (e.g. enforcing law, cultural assimilation, etc.). Muck Rack+2The Charlie Kirk Show+2
  • There is a more nuanced comment in one podcast where he says empathy is a virtue (in some contexts) but warns about “suicidal empathy”—that is, empathy taken to extremes or empathy that leads to choices he considers impractical or harmful. iHeart

Source: Chat GPT.

We have all made moronic claims that can be taken out of context, it doesn't warrant a death sentence.
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It absolutely doesn’t warrant that. Let’s not say things are taken out of context when they clearly aren’t though.
 
johnny crossan said:
He said Leviticus said adulterers should be stoned to death. Which is true.
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No he said Leviticus 20.13 (which calls for gay people to be stoned) was “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

So as you apparently need it explained, that’s him calling it a perfect law. Because it doesn’t call it that anywhere in the bible, that’s Charlie Kirk personally endorsing it by calling it perfect.

He agrees with it. He believes it. Hes literally telling you he thinks it’s fucking perfect to stone gay people.
 
johnny crossan said:
He said Leviticus said adulterers should be stoned to death. Which is true.
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That's a disgusting backwards quote, but Bible is a very old book. He shouldn't have posted it, yes.

Having said that, he doesn't wish gays death, though. For example, he is friends with Dave Rubin, so someone openly gay. There are more examples too.

You said:​

Was Dave Rubin friends with Charlie Kirk

ChatGPT said:​

Yes — Dave Rubin and Charlie Kirk have been friends and allies in the political/media space for several years.

  • They’ve appeared together frequently on stages, panels, and podcasts. For example, Rubin has been a guest on The Charlie Kirk Show, and Kirk has joined The Rubin Report.
  • Both have spoken at Turning Point USA events, where Rubin has sometimes been a featured speaker alongside Kirk.
  • They often publicly praised each other’s work: Rubin calling Kirk a “rising star of the conservative movement,” and Kirk highlighting Rubin as an example of someone who left the political left and embraced more conservative/libertarian views.
  • There’s video/photo evidence of them hanging out in both professional and more casual contexts, suggesting a friendly relationship beyond just occasional appearances.
 
meltonblue said:
It absolutely doesn’t warrant that. Let’s not say things are taken out of context when they clearly aren’t though.
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I’ve not seen one post saying he warranted being murdered, not one, I’ve seen a few say they’ve not much sympathy for a man who said gun deaths are an acceptable price to pay for keeping the 2nd Amendment, which is fair comment.
 
Bigga said:
I understand what you mean, but he's spoken of 'liberals' in some variable manner (meaning White in his case) but is, in fact, malleable to 'general liberals' today.
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The wider point mate is that if you murder someone for their political views you're a **** and if you support that murder you're a ****.

From Lincoln to MLK to this young lad if you support any one of those murders you're an unfit human being.
 
johnny crossan said:
He said Leviticus said adulterers should be stoned to death. Which is true.
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This is not a mere political dispute anymore.

Remember Reagan..

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Now they're basically saying America is a country for straight white christian people and no one else.

There is outright calling for a civil war to eliminate the "other" and they want us to either shut up or get out of America and that's just not possible for 42% of the country's citizens.

And that's what Kirk was doing for a long time.

Did I want him dead? No.. but he did want others dead and gone.

So do we celebrate him or do we call him a crazy person who hung out with the crazies, talked crazy and eventually got killed by the craziness around him.
 
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