Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

[hinchcliffes bulbous conk]

I've never heard of this guy and I suspect that's the case for 90% of the UK. I'm surprised the story is rumbling along as front page news over here.

I've never heard of this guy and I suspect that's the case for 90% of the UK. I'm surprised the story is rumbling along as front page news over here.

Almost everyone under the age of 21 has and it was a very public execution, highlighting the hatred and how it can spill over. I think it is very news worthy.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Can clearly see him holding a rifle bag.

That's presumably the backpack he's seen carrying in all the other footage.

 

[Scottyboi]

That's presumably the backpack he's seen carrying in all the other footage.

On full screen you can see he has a bag on his back and he is carrying something else wrapped up.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Can clearly see him holding a rifle bag.

did it morph into the rucksack he was photographed carrying later?

Watch: New clues in hunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer

BBC Verify’s Nick Beake has been looking at newly released footage of the suspect and what we know about his escape.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Netanyahu is doing the rounds. Blaming radical Islam, which is rather strange considering we dont know who the killer is yet and the person of interest is white



And denying israel murdered kirk:

 

[The blue phantom]

I have a uni degree and a decent level of education/achievement. So, no, I'm not a 'failed' student. And have very little in common with Kirk for that matter.

I just don't judge people or their intellect on whether they went to an Ivy league college or not.

You should be clever enough then to work out what a vile horrible bastard he was.

 

[Dubai Blue]

On full screen you can see he has a bag on his back and he is carrying something else wrapped up.

Yeah, you're right. I missed that. So he walked to the scene with it down his trousers and had the rifle bag in his backpack. That clears up my confusion about that part.

 

[northendenton]

To any others saying “he never advocated for violence” or that all he did was “calmly debate”, some light reading from our friends at Reddit, including sources.

Charlie Kirk's Documented Calls for Political Violence (2012-2024)

Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:

* Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)\^1
* "Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)\^2
* Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)\^3

Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:

* Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)\^4
* Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"\^5
* Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response\^6
* Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"\^7

Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:

* Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"\^8
* Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"\^9
* Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)\^10

Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:

* Called George Floyd a "scumbag"\^11
* Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"\^12
* "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"\^13
* Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"\^14
* Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"\^15
* "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"\^16

Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:

* Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"\^17
* SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"\^18

Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:

* Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights\^19
* Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"\^20

Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:

* Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment\^21
* Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"\^22
* One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"\^23
* Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials\^24

January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:

* Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"\^25
* Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6\^26
* Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee\^27

Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:

* Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)\^28
* Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric\^29
* Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism\^30

Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:

* Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations\^31
* Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats\^32
* Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona\^33
* Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison\^34

International Recognition as Extremist:

* Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"\^35
* CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies\^36
* Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging\^37

General Violence Normalization:

* Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6\^38
* Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate\^39
* Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures\^40

Sources:

\^1 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...son-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against)

\^2 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)

\^3 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...e-trial-every-gender-affirming-clinic-doctor)

\^4 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^5 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^6 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^7 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^8 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^9 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^10 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^11 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^12 [https://www.breezyscroll.com/world/...rld/the-us/charlie-kirk-controversial-takes/)

\^13 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^14 [https://populartimelines.com/timeli...timeline/Charlie-Kirk/controversies-scandals)

\^15 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^16 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^17 [https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mented-immigrants-are-not-proof-of-a-scheme/)

\^18 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^19 [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c...om/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/)

\^20 [https://politicalresearch.org/strat...sa-increasingly-leaning-right-wing-christian)

\^21 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^22 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^24 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^25 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-insurrection-buses-washington-tweet-1560727)

\^26 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^27 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-fifth-asked-his-age-jan-6-committee-1768952)

\^28 [https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...lc-laughingstock-listing-turning-point-hate/)

\^29 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^30 [https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-on-twitter/8BCBD1F909A861589D93F7124AFE1A7E)

\^31 [https://www.citizensforethics.org/n...point-action-fined-following-crew-complaint/)

\^32 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^33 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^34 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^35 [https://socialistworker.co.uk/comme...charlie-kkkirks-chickens-come-home-to-roost/)

\^36 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl.../world/charlie-kirk-death-reaction-1.7630652)

\^37 [https://time.com/7316280/charlie-ki...316280/charlie-kirk-dead-political-violence/)

\^38 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^39 [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ul-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/)

\^40 [https://libcom.org/article/network-...ate-fight-political-infection-left-and-right)

He liked little kittens though

 

[Scottyboi]

Yeah, you're right. I missed that. So he walked to the scene with it down his trousers and had the rifle bag in his backpack. That clears up my confusion about that part.

Footage of him limping down a street too, my knees could never handle that drop!

 

[PragueBlue]

He liked little kittens though

More proof that he was a wrong 'un then ;-)

 

[Scottyboi]

Netanyahu is doing the rounds. Blaming radical Islam, which is rather strange considering we dont know who the killer is yet and the person of interest is white



And denying israel murdered kirk:

Israel being weird as fuck about this whole thing, why do they keep pushing this Judeo-Christian line and why are so many of their leaders and MPs making statements about it trying to blame other groups with zero proof.

 

[bluejon]

Daily Mail headlining that the assassin, although unknown, is a ‘Trans ideology assassin’, whatever that means.

This is due to ‘trans ideology messages on several rounds of ammunition found at the site’, they continue.

So this is the justification for the headline.

They then go on to report that a senior official then reported that initial reports about the ammunition ‘might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted’.

The Mail, never knowingly putting water on a fire if there is a can of petrol anywhere near…

read something earlier that the reason for this, and i'll hold my hands up that this might be bullshit, but is because the bullets had TRN on the bottom of them, which apparently is the stamp of a well known bullet manufacturer, Turan. i don't think the US gov is pushing that line anymore, but of course the daily mail ran with it

 

[Marklr]

To any others saying “he never advocated for violence” or that all he did was “calmly debate”, some light reading from our friends at Reddit, including sources.

Charlie Kirk's Documented Calls for Political Violence (2012-2024)

Direct Calls for Death and Public Executions:

* Called for President Biden to receive "the death penalty for his crimes against America" (July 2023)\^1
* "Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" - suggested children should watch (2024)\^2
* Called for "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor" invoking Nazi war crimes imagery (April 2024)\^3

Calling for Lethal Force Against Migrants and Minorities:

* Advocated lethal force against migrants: "If you enter, we have lethal force, and we're willing to use it" and "You can start with firing next to them" (March 2024)\^4
* Advocated using whips against migrants, asking "Why is that controversial?"\^5
* Warned of "enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes" requiring armed response\^6
* Directed supporters: "Buy weapons. Buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you"\^7

Violent Anti-LGBTQ+ Statements:

* Said he "would've loved" if fathers "formed a line" to physically confront transgender athletes: "you're going to have to come through us"\^8
* Called transgender people "an abomination" and "a throbbing middle finger to God"\^9
* Advocated handling LGBTQ+ people "the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s" (era of criminalization and forced institutionalization)\^10

Extreme Anti-Black and Antisemitic Rhetoric:

* Called George Floyd a "scumbag"\^11
* Said Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake"\^12
* "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified'"\^13
* Called Martin Luther King Jr. "awful" and "not a good person"\^14
* Claimed Jewish people control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it"\^15
* "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country"\^16

Great Replacement Theory and White Supremacist Messaging:

* Promoted "Great Replacement" theory: "not a theory, it's a reality" - Democrats seek to "diminish and decrease white demographics in America"\^17
* SPLC documents Kirk warning that "native born Americans are being replaced by foreigners" and promising Trump will "liberate" the country from "the enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes"\^18

Celebrating and Normalizing Violence:

* Said gun deaths are "worth it" to preserve Second Amendment rights\^19
* Promoted Christian nationalist "Seven Mountain Mandate" ideology calling for theocratic takeover through "spiritual warfare"\^20

Targeting and Harassment Campaigns:

* Created "Professor Watchlists" that resulted in death threats, rape threats, and antisemitic harassment\^21
* Arizona State University President documented that Kirk's watchlist generated "antisemitic, anti-LGBTQ+ and misogynistic attacks on ASU faculty"\^22
* One professor resigned after "nearly a year of harassment by right-wing, white supremacist media outlets"\^23
* Maintained "School Board Watchlists" targeting local education officials\^24

January 6 Capitol Attack Organization:

* Organized "80+ buses full of patriots to D.C. to fight for this president"\^25
* Admitted receiving "500 emails a minute calling for a civil war" before January 6\^26
* Pleaded the Fifth over 70 times when questioned by House January 6 Committee\^27

Civil Rights Organizations' Classification as Extremist:

* Southern Poverty Law Center added Turning Point USA to official "Hate Map" as "antigovernment extremist group" (2024)\^28
* Anti-Defamation League documents Kirk's systematic antisemitic rhetoric\^29
* Academic research from Cambridge Core and Brookings Institution documents Kirk's rhetoric following established patterns of stochastic terrorism\^30

Documented Legal Consequences and Criminal Investigations:

* Federal Election Commission fined Kirk's organization $18,000 for campaign finance violations\^31
* Multiple universities paid settlements totaling tens of thousands of dollars after Kirk's "Professor Watchlist" resulted in documented death threats\^32
* Criminal charges filed in multiple states against TPUSA personnel for violent confrontations, including felony assault charges in Arizona\^33
* Yolo County District Attorney investigating coordinated attacks at UC Davis that could result in felony charges carrying up to three years in prison\^34

International Recognition as Extremist:

* Socialist Worker UK described his content as a "cesspit of far right lies, vile racism, transphobia"\^35
* CBC Canada documented his "combative style" as making him a "potent political force" in promoting extremist ideologies\^36
* Al Jazeera noted Kirk's "provocative style" as deliberately inflammatory political messaging\^37

General Violence Normalization:

* Regularly promoted false claims about 2020 election integrity leading to January 6\^38
* Systematic rhetoric describing Democratic governance as illegitimate\^39
* Network Contagion Research Institute documents Kirk's systematic provision of mainstream legitimacy to white nationalist figures\^40

Sources:

\^1 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...son-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against)

\^2 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)

\^3 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...e-trial-every-gender-affirming-clinic-doctor)

\^4 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^5 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...igrants-southern-border-if-you-enter-we-have)

\^6 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^7 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^8 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^9 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^10 [https://www.mediamatters.org/charli...goted-rhetoric-he-was-first-guest-california)

\^11 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^12 [https://www.breezyscroll.com/world/...rld/the-us/charlie-kirk-controversial-takes/)

\^13 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl...s/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)

\^14 [https://populartimelines.com/timeli...timeline/Charlie-Kirk/controversies-scandals)

\^15 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^16 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^17 [https://www.politifact.com/factchec...mented-immigrants-are-not-proof-of-a-scheme/)

\^18 [https://www.splcenter.org/resources...urning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/)

\^19 [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c...om/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/)

\^20 [https://politicalresearch.org/strat...sa-increasingly-leaning-right-wing-christian)

\^21 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^22 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^23 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profe...://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Watchlist)

\^24 [https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...ning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize)

\^25 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-insurrection-buses-washington-tweet-1560727)

\^26 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^27 [https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-ki...-fifth-asked-his-age-jan-6-committee-1768952)

\^28 [https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...lc-laughingstock-listing-turning-point-hate/)

\^29 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^30 [https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-on-twitter/8BCBD1F909A861589D93F7124AFE1A7E)

\^31 [https://www.citizensforethics.org/n...point-action-fined-following-crew-complaint/)

\^32 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^33 [https://www.adl.org/resources/backg...org/resources/backgrounder/turning-point-usa)

\^34 [https://www.statepress.com/article/...icle/2023/11/turning-point-response-overview)

\^35 [https://socialistworker.co.uk/comme...charlie-kkkirks-chickens-come-home-to-roost/)

\^36 [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charl.../world/charlie-kirk-death-reaction-1.7630652)

\^37 [https://time.com/7316280/charlie-ki...316280/charlie-kirk-dead-political-violence/)

\^38 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie\_Kirk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk)

\^39 [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ul-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/)

\^40 [https://libcom.org/article/network-...ate-fight-political-infection-left-and-right)

He wanted misery for anyone that wasn't of his own kind.

 

[mosssideblue]

He wanted misery for anyone that wasn't of his own kind.

And given that very dangerous title of “ influencer”

People spouting bile and hatred should not in any shape or form be given a platform to influence

 

[DrBlueBob]

In my opinion the majority of politicians and parties have been an abject failure for the past decade and longer.

Probably because they look down on the so-called uneducated masses like a lot of people in this thread.

It could also be argued a lot of those people have benefitted from nepotism over capability.

All true.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

You should be clever enough then to work out what a vile horrible bastard he was.

I admitted to not even knowing who he was until he died. So I tried to take a balanced view and be tolerant by forming an opinion from what information I was being served.

And based on the evidence in this thread he said a lot of stuff that I disagree with and have no time for. Equally, I've seen clips of debates where he makes sense. Someone else said it better than me regarding humans and being multi-dimensionsal. He would come across as a loving, family man, then say something which is extreme (to most people) regarding guns.

Still, him dying (and the way he died) is certainly not something to celebrate, or fitting, because he debated extremely sensitive topics and shared his own opinion. This is where I'll withdraw from this thread as you either have to be far left or far right and there's no room for reasoned debate without being pigeon holed and labelled.

 

[dubblue]

I admitted to not even knowing who he was until he died. So I tried to take a balanced view and be tolerant by forming an opinion from what information I was being served.

And based on the evidence in this thread he said a lot of stuff that I disagree with and have no time for. Equally, I've seen clips of debates where he makes sense. Someone else said it better than me regarding humans and being multi-dimensionsal. He would come across as a loving, family man, then say something which is extreme (to most people) regarding guns.

Still, him dying (and the way he died) is certainly not something to celebrate, or fitting, because he debated extremely sensitive topics and shared his own opinion. This is where I'll withdraw from this thread as you either have to be far left or far right and there's no room for reasoned debate without being pigeon holed and labelled.

Spot on mate. The world and people in it are a mess

 

[citymad]

I won"t celebrate Kirks death but I won't mourn it either. Fella lived a dangerous game spewing his controversial views to fragile young minds.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Footage of him limping down a street too, my knees could never handle that drop!

Yeah, that was an impressive jump, my knees would have blown out! The footage of him limping is before the shooting; the theory is that the gun was down his trouser leg. Weird but plausible as he keeps his right leg completely straight.

 

[SWP's back]

Yep as others have said on here sounds like a decent bloke.

A family man