Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

bobbyowenquiff said:
Agree with all that. It is much more nuanced. What bothers me is the dismissal of some conservative Christians (I am an atheist) as all Nazis, racists, and fascists. And those liberal leaning people as “woke commies.” There is so much tribalism. I am a moderniser who hates our current anti-democratic corrupt system which has failed most of the country. I don’t want the current model replaced by fascism but radical change is needed and tech will have to be the main driver of that change. And I am a centrist not in one of the tribes.
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You are right that technology is changing the world, yet again; but to me the question is who is fit and capable to lead that change? Absent of a new generation of policy makers who actually know what they are on about and can mobilise sufficient support to act, I can only see the increasing concentration of power in the hands of a small number of companies and unelected individuals. It's different from the technology revolutions of the past where a larger number of distributed industrial barons had significant power but it was sufficiently diluted that it was not all encompassing; now we're talking potentially about it being concentrated into a tiny number of companies and individuals.

Historically we've been able to show that destiny is not a function of technology, policy and political will determine outcomes. We're the closest we've ever been to that no longer being true and the ship may even have sailed.

Trade Unions grew out of need during the industrial revolution; it's going to take a different but equivalent in terms of impact level of organising/activism amongst ordinary people to apply the brakes to what is imo currently a runaway train. I'd prefer it if a global coalition of competent politicians and regulators could at least impose some fire breaks on our behalf but I'm not convinced that particular cavalry is going to turn up.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
What should Jesus do?
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Well given that last Sunday's gospel reading ended with the sentence "You cannot serve God and money"; its a reasonably safe bet he wouldn't have used the death as a vehicle for fundraising, so maybe that's something for them to consider though I'll not hold my breath.
 
threespires said:
Well given that last Sunday's gospel reading ended with the sentence "You cannot serve God and money"; its a reasonably safe bet he wouldn't have used the death as a vehicle for fundraising, so maybe that's something for them to consider though I'll not hold my breath.
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Tv evangelicals have been serving mammon since the dawn of electronics. How much god is in there is debatable. Do you want to be born again? Just send me 100 dollars for eternal life.(Sotto voce: thank you, gullible idiots)
 
KS55 said:
Tv evangelicals have been serving mammon since the dawn of electronics. How much god is in there is debatable. Do you want to be born again? Just send me 100 dollars for eternal life.(Sotto voce: thank you, gullible idiots)
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You're only a direct debit away from salvation has always been a much easier sell than take up your cross and follow me.
 
threespires said:
You are right that technology is changing the world, yet again; but to me the question is who is fit and capable to lead that change? Absent of a new generation of policy makers who actually know what they are on about and can mobilise sufficient support to act, I can only see the increasing concentration of power in the hands of a small number of companies and unelected individuals. It's different from the technology revolutions of the past where a larger number of distributed industrial barons had significant power but it was sufficiently diluted that it was not all encompassing; now we're talking potentially about it being concentrated into a tiny number of companies and individuals.

Historically we've been able to show that destiny is not a function of technology, policy and political will determine outcomes. We're the closest we've ever been to that no longer being true and the ship may even have sailed.

Trade Unions grew out of need during the industrial revolution; it's going to take a different but equivalent in terms of impact level of organising/activism amongst ordinary people to apply the brakes to what is imo currently a runaway train. I'd prefer it if a global coalition of competent politicians and regulators could at least impose some fire breaks on our behalf but I'm not convinced that particular cavalry is going to turn up.
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I view much of what's happening as a distraction from technological changes. Nobody really understands just how powerful AI is becoming, not just as a productivity tool but as a total replacement. I was a skeptic until I started paying for ChatGPT and it's just really crazy what it can do. The way we ask questions has already changed forever.

We're going through the next industrial revolution right this second now. Apple is one of the richest company's in the world and is Apple really using its vast resources to develop the next iPhone? Amazon brings in $600bn per year, Meta $150bn, Elon Musk is apparently worth $500bn. They all say that AI is the next thing.

Maybe these 'fights' over identity, social and political issues are being used to keep the general population busy whilst society is slowly reorganised for a silent and subtle revolution. These companies aren't going to be a controlling factor in that but they're certainly positioning to be a central source of tools to enable it.

So yeah they don't mind people protesting about Palestine or getting angry about immigrants, all of these things will become an irrelevant issue within the next decade because AI will make those decisions. This is why they're bowing down to Trump, because he's transactional and malleable to giving them whatever they want if it benefits him.

I just find it really chilling and nobody truly understands the scale of change that is coming.


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BlueHammer85 said:
No, we can just see how Trump and MAGA are using this death as a political gateway to further control and power.

They have turned Kirk into a martyr, creating a us v 'them' mantra promising 'revenge' and framing it as a 'truth' against 'lies' struggle - this really is fascist and it is worrying, you just can't see it.
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What’s more worrying is when you label anyone who disagrees with you a fascist or a racist.
The amount of people who ignore the fact BOTH sides are happy to silence or cancel the other.
It’s almost like the left and the right are
more similar than they think.
Both massive hypocrites
 
Tb1981 said:
What’s more worrying is when you label anyone who disagrees with you a fascist or a racist.
The amount of people who ignore the fact BOTH sides are happy to silence or cancel the other.
It’s almost like the left and the right are
more similar than they think.
Both massive hypocrites
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Its important not to assume that someone calls everyone they disagree with a fascist, it's literally what you are saying is wrong. I just think from a language perspective you should be aware of the potentially contradictory nature of your statement. Fascist ;)
 
Tb1981 said:
What’s more worrying is when you label anyone who disagrees with you a fascist or a racist.
The amount of people who ignore the fact BOTH sides are happy to silence or cancel the other.
It’s almost like the left and the right are
more similar than they think.
Both massive hypocrites
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That’s not more worrying in the least. Maybe I will agree when Democrats post up their next authoritarian Presidential candidate. Or maybe if you’d mentioned terms like “communist” or “Libtard” or “terrorist” I’d believe you really believed what you wrote.
 
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Tb1981 said:
What’s more worrying is when you label anyone who disagrees with you a fascist or a racist.
The amount of people who ignore the fact BOTH sides are happy to silence or cancel the other.
It’s almost like the left and the right are
more similar than they think.
Both massive hypocrites
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Disagree. The right have never had the best interest of the majority at heart. They are interested in making themselves richer and more powerful. No empathy whatsoever.

The left however have spawned all sorts of radical types who do care about ordinary people. Keir Hardie, Nye Bevan, Tony Benn to name just a few
Compare them with Thatcher, Johnson, Joseph, Mosley.

So I'm not buying the left are just as bad as the right bollocks
 
robbieh said:
Disagree. The right have never had the best interest of the majority at heart. They are interested in making themselves richer and more powerful. No empathy whatsoever.

The left however have spawned all sorts of radical types who do care about ordinary people. Keir Hardie, Nye Bevan, Tony Benn to name just a few
Compare them with Thatcher, Johnson, Joseph, Mosley.

So I'm not buying the left are just as bad as the right bollocks
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The left now is not what the left used to be.
 
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