Cheating Refs

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

In 45 years of watching football both in this country and abroad I don`t believe I have witnessed a game where the referee made some many errors in the favour of only one of the teams concerned. And I don`t mean mistakes like cheap free kicks in the centre circle, I mean clear goal scoring/game changing incidents

really, watch ANY game he does involving us, he Foy, and the now departed peter Walton are corrupt to the core.

there are people who for one reason or another despise us for our money, fans, pundits and players. why not referees?

another thing I find odd is the timing of our game at Anfield.
on the anniversary of Hillsborough. of all the dates/times/clubs that could have add this fixture its us, the agenda victims, that get drawn there. odds on that?

then add EXACTLY the same scenario when the anniversary of Munich came around, of all the permutations that the "computer" could have thrown up it pits us at their place. not even at ours, their place, on the very day the tragedy was remembered.

coincidence?

both games?

not an earthly.

The only game that comes to mind any where near as controversial was Walton`s game a couple of years ago where we lost 1-0 at Goodison. We have 2 clear penalty claims turned down, 1 was a handball right in front of us. But taking into account 3 penalty claims, a missed red card and numerous other incidents I think this game far outweighs any other game I have witnessed. I would even question Suarez`s challenge on (was it) Silva in the build up to the first goal.
The decision that summed up Clattenberg was in the first half giving a foul against Silva when the ball was in the air on the edge of the Liverpool box from a corner. Silva only had eyes for the ball, whereas Suarez watched the player approach, made a back, then went down in a crumpled hep with his usual scream. End result free kick to Lpool on the edge of our box.
Concerning the result, I still don`t fell we got beat, just cheated.

We can be forgiven for thinking that some of the decisions are given on the basis that the referee, having studied the Laws of the Game, has never actually seen a game of football or watched the antics of certain footballers. Refs are getting conned week in and week out in every league in the world by players hurling themselves to the ground in a variety of contorted acrobatics and gymnastics that are so unnatural and so opposed to the laws of physics that a partially-sighted person could pick up the outcome with little difficulty.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

There was a corner towards the end where skrtl ( I always forget if there's any vowels in that name, and if there is where they go) had his armed wrapped around Kompany's neck whilst practically undressing him with the other. It was so bad the commentators even made the light-hearted observation that it was 'like they were wrestling with each other'.

What I really, really want to know is how this isn't considered a foul and how Skrtl in particularly keeps getting away with it. Can anyone explain the rules to me and how/why this shouldn't be considered worthy of a penalty please?

 

[Gabriel]

There was one decision when Clattenberg awarded Liverpool a free-kick in quite a dangerous position. It was a small decision but one that reeked.

It came after Silva won a header but Suarez deliberately positioned himself under Silva, who was jumping for the ball, and then collapsed in a writhing heap. If anything it was a foul our way, something even Beglin admitted, but unsurprisingly the referee awarded it to Liverpool.

 

[moon]

Think dippers will just point to the offside goal at the Etihad even though he got a lot more wrong

 

[jimharri]

Think dippers will just point to the offside goal at the Etihad even though he got a lot more wrong

Yes; one bad offside call, and maybe one penalty claim (the starfish moment). Balanced out by Skrtel grabbing the nearest blue shirt at every corner without any sanction from the oh so biased Mr Mason. Compare to sunday; at least two penalties not given (Dzeko and the Skrtel handball (not sure about the ''foul'' on Merlin), and Suarez not getting red carded. Not to mention Skrtel up to his usual antics again.

 

[Begbie]

Corruption thoughts aside, what I DO find incredible is the commentary after stating that clattenburg had a 'great game'. His ineptitude, whatever it was down to, definately cost us that game. It also may have cost us the title.

You can argue that our own mistakes and or general play was the difference but would we have played differently if we had a fair crack at the whip on a level playing field? Cheat, bottler, corrupt, insert as applicable but that bastard cost us dear and the most sickening thing is that the dippers know it too.

 

[Bill]

Corruption thoughts aside, what I DO find incredible is the commentary after stating that clattenburg had a 'great game'. His ineptitude, whatever it was down to, definately cost us that game. It also may have cost us the title.

You can argue that our own mistakes and or general play was the difference but would we have played differently if we had a fair crack at the whip on a level playing field? Cheat, bottler, corrupt, insert as applicable but that bastard cost us dear and the most sickening thing is that the dippers know it too.

he was appointed for the reasons you list. he is not working alone.

 

[Groke]

If those decisions had gone against the scousers and they had lost 3-2, imagine the constant hysterical inquisition by sky etc. Now I must confess that I've avoided all forms of media since Sunday, but I imagine SSN isn't dominated by endless slomo replays of Suarez diving and Skyrtyl playing volleyball.

Fair refereeing, fair analysis and fair reporting - this is obviously too much to ask for.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Corruption thoughts aside, what I DO find incredible is the commentary after stating that clattenburg had a 'great game'. His ineptitude, whatever it was down to, definately cost us that game. It also may have cost us the title.

You can argue that our own mistakes and or general play was the difference but would we have played differently if we had a fair crack at the whip on a level playing field? Cheat, bottler, corrupt, insert as applicable but that bastard cost us dear and the most sickening thing is that the dippers know it too.

he was appointed for the reasons you list. he is not working alone.

Who's pulling his strings then?

 

[Blue Mooner]

If you contrast the penalties we didn't get against Liverpool ie the Dzeko and Silva claims (not even including the Skrtel handball which was as blatant as you can get) versus the one that Liverpool 'did' get a week earlier against West Ham and tell me which were the more likely penalties ?

Okay different ref, a week earlier, but if you give the Flanagan penalty then Dzeko and Silva are penalties all day long.

Now it's not an exact science to say that had we got either penalties we would have got the draw but no doubt it would have helped (particularly skrtel's being in the last minute) then the delta in points is massive.

There was only 20 mins left against west ham and west ham looked comfortable, I was getting confident they were going to falter then boom, penalty, if it hadn't been Flanagan, it would have been Suarez, Mark my words.

Had decisions been given consistently ie West Ham not a penalty we would have been 5 points behind meaning you would have a marginally better case to say Dzeko and silva weren't penalties.

Conversely, had we been given a penalty decision as Liverpool were against west ham then we still would have been 4 points behind with two games in hand.

Had all decisions been given correctly, we would in all likelihood only be 2 points behind with 2 games in hand.

Critically, the title would still be in our hands. Ok, I accept you can go back on lots of decisions through the season and say if this or if that, however, we are now at the business end of the season, the title is within sight and crucial decisions are suddenly going against us.

This is the rag syndrome, rags are too far behind so it's Liverpools turn to keep the profile of the premier league and global fan bases happy. It stinks, it truly does.

 

[eversince 76]

If you contrast the penalties we didn't get against Liverpool ie the Dzeko and Silva claims (not even including the Skrtel handball which was as blatant as you can get) versus the one that Liverpool 'did' get a week earlier against West Ham and tell me which were the more likely penalties ?

Okay different ref, a week earlier, but if you give the Flanagan penalty then Dzeko and Silva are penalties all day long.

Now it's not an exact science to say that had we got either penalties we would have got the draw but no doubt it would have helped (particularly skrtel's being in the last minute) then the delta in points is massive.

There was only 20 mins left against west ham and west ham looked comfortable, I was getting confident they were going to falter then boom, penalty, if it hadn't been Flanagan, it would have been Suarez, Mark my words.

Had decisions been given consistently ie West Ham not a penalty we would have been 5 points behind meaning you would have a marginally better case to say Dzeko and silva weren't penalties.

Conversely, had we been given a penalty decision as Liverpool were against west ham then we still would have been 4 points behind with two games in hand.

Had all decisions been given correctly, we would in all likelihood only be 2 points behind with 2 games in hand.

Critically, the title would still be in our hands. Ok, I accept you can go back on lots of decisions through the season and say if this or if that, however, we are now at the business end of the season, the title is within sight and crucial decisions are suddenly going against us.

This is the rag syndrome, rags are too far behind so it's Liverpools turn to keep the profile of the premier league and global fan bases happy. It stinks, it truly does.

It Liverpools' year as soon as the FA and their refs knew they were challenging for the title. Let's be honest, 25 anniversary of Hillsborough, Steven Gerrard never won a title ... it's all too good a story to not let it happen. It will happen. To me that's as clear as why Clattenburg would never want to be in the spotlight for spoiling the fairytale. I can live with the penalty descisions, just, but Suarez not getting a second yellow, therefore a red was as blatant as it good be. Yet Clattenburg realized the consequences on the day and the next week or so.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Corruption thoughts aside, what I DO find incredible is the commentary after stating that clattenburg had a 'great game'. His ineptitude, whatever it was down to, definately cost us that game. It also may have cost us the title.

You can argue that our own mistakes and or general play was the difference but would we have played differently if we had a fair crack at the whip on a level playing field? Cheat, bottler, corrupt, insert as applicable but that bastard cost us dear and the most sickening thing is that the dippers know it too.

he was appointed for the reasons you list. he is not working alone.

Why didn't he give two penalties to Liverpool? Why didn't he just give a free-kick against MDM when Suarez took a tumble?

It clearly wasn't a bent performance in the way you're talking but he bottled it and cheated us out of a victory and for that he should be punished. But he isn't, and the consensus around the media is that he did a good job. I think it's more a case of what someone on here said the other day, that the ref's don't want to fuck up so they more or less duck out of the biggest decisions. Unacceptable, but plausible.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Corruption thoughts aside, what I DO find incredible is the commentary after stating that clattenburg had a 'great game'. His ineptitude, whatever it was down to, definately cost us that game. It also may have cost us the title.

You can argue that our own mistakes and or general play was the difference but would we have played differently if we had a fair crack at the whip on a level playing field? Cheat, bottler, corrupt, insert as applicable but that bastard cost us dear and the most sickening thing is that the dippers know it too.

he was appointed for the reasons you list. he is not working alone.

Who's pulling his strings then?

The world is out to get Man City. Come on TCM, you should know that by now.

 

[Deleted member 58619]

Pellegrini is too nice, shit approach, we should have been highlighting referee decisions weeks ago.

Gutted

Fair play Pellegrini

The referees have been terrible so far this season

 

[andrewmswift]

Pellegrini is too nice, shit approach, we should have been highlighting referee decisions weeks ago.

Gutted

Fair play Pellegrini

The referees have been terrible so far this season

and they won't be getting any better, aside from the odd OK performance

 

[baildon blue]

We will get another sh** referee in the champions league .
I can think of number of clowns we have had .
We got stitched up against Ajax , Barcelona ,and Bayern Munich away in 2011 ,
In the Europa league against Dynamo Kiev at home in 2011 .
Always feel like where facing 12 men when where in Europe .

 

[the originalkippaxman]

If you contrast the penalties we didn't get against Liverpool ie the Dzeko and Silva claims (not even including the Skrtel handball which was as blatant as you can get) versus the one that Liverpool 'did' get a week earlier against West Ham and tell me which were the more likely penalties ?

Okay different ref, a week earlier, but if you give the Flanagan penalty then Dzeko and Silva are penalties all day long.

Now it's not an exact science to say that had we got either penalties we would have got the draw but no doubt it would have helped (particularly skrtel's being in the last minute) then the delta in points is massive.

There was only 20 mins left against west ham and west ham looked comfortable, I was getting confident they were going to falter then boom, penalty, if it hadn't been Flanagan, it would have been Suarez, Mark my words.

Had decisions been given consistently ie West Ham not a penalty we would have been 5 points behind meaning you would have a marginally better case to say Dzeko and silva weren't penalties.

Conversely, had we been given a penalty decision as Liverpool were against west ham then we still would have been 4 points behind with two games in hand.

Had all decisions been given correctly, we would in all likelihood only be 2 points behind with 2 games in hand.

Critically, the title would still be in our hands. Ok, I accept you can go back on lots of decisions through the season and say if this or if that, however, we are now at the business end of the season, the title is within sight and crucial decisions are suddenly going against us.

This is the rag syndrome, rags are too far behind so it's Liverpools turn to keep the profile of the premier league and global fan bases happy. It stinks, it truly does.

It Liverpools' year as soon as the FA and their refs knew they were challenging for the title. Let's be honest, 25 anniversary of Hillsborough, Steven Gerrard never won a title ... it's all too good a story to not let it happen. It will happen. To me that's as clear as why Clattenburg would never want to be in the spotlight for spoiling the fairytale. I can live with the penalty descisions, just, but Suarez not getting a second yellow, therefore a red was as blatant as it good be. Yet Clattenburg realized the consequences on the day and the next week or so.

Think how Norwich feel. Clattenburg had 3 opportunities to give Suarez a second yellow due to the fact he didn't he was allowed to play the week after at Norwich.

It would have been a different story with Liverpool having no strikers at Norwich and them fighting tooth and nail to stay up. It might have even kick started there survival though highly unlikely considering the games they had. Nevertheless a decision by not sending Suarez off had consequences on other clubs.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

We will get another sh** referee in the champions league .
I can think of number of clowns we have had .
We got stitched up against Ajax , Barcelona ,and Bayern Munich away in 2011 ,
In the Europa league against Dynamo Kiev at home in 2011 .
Always feel like where facing 12 men when where in Europe .

I agree with you.

Although we don't do ourselves any favours. For example Twatenberg was awful in the Arsenal game as has been pointed out elsewhere.

But the fact of the matter, Edin had two guilt opportunities to win the game in the last 5 minutes. Edin missed twice and we only drew.

But as I said I agree with you, it does feel like we are playing 12 men at times.

 

[Deleted member 58619]

Another shit referee performance

Should have had two pens and ref booked our players on first challenges.

This is happening far too often for it to be coincidence.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Think dippers will just point to the offside goal at the Etihad even though he got a lot more wrong

IT WASN'T A GOAL , HE WAS 30 YARDS OUT

Sorry, but winds me up this