Chelsea (a) post match thread

There has been no improvement since we played them last. They gifted us an own goal then, they gifted us a sloppy goal today. We had possession and didnt do shit with it. They seemed more purposeful when they had possession. If Vinny didn't play today, the scoreline would have been worse as Stones was having a nightmare with Costa bullying him again and Hazard shredding him.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Simply putting the ball in the net, with an open goal, in the last min, negates most of that.

2-2 decent result.

In our title seasons, those are scored.
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That would be results based and not process based. I'd like to see us starting to really show some ambition to create scoring chances when we need to - Guardiola had no problem with going more direct at Bayern last season when necessary so why is it such a problem here?

If we're struggling to create like we were in the second halves of the last 4 games, we need the striker to stay on the shoulder (not 15 yards inside his own half as he was on 3 occasions in the last 10 today when we could have countered), we need to get the ball in the box before the opposition have time to get set in position, we need to make runs in behind their wide players and we need to get more bodies into the box (instead of 5 players standing around the edge of it). We've done none of those things and it's arguably cost us 9 points and handed 5 points to rivals and 1 to that rag **** at stoke. It was the same shit in the second leg against Monaco as well - zero fucking intent and zero threat, either there's some seriously spineless bastards in this team or the manager needs to have a long hard look at the instructions he's giving them, we're better than this.
 
Damocles said:
I'm going to stop myself from ranting here but this is infuriating.

A quick caveat that I think fans obsession with corners isn't warranted compared to the amount of chances that they create and scoring odds (within 10 seconds of the corner being taken) are at around 2% IIRC. They're certainly low, definitely no higher than low single digit percentage.

Anyway, the thing that everybody knows in football is that outswinging corners produce the most goals and chances. Everybody knows this because this is what they have been told and religiously believe for their entire careers.

But it's wrong. It's dead wrong, 100% completely inaccurate. The rise of statistical analysis shows us that inswinging corners produce as high as 50% more goals than outswingers, and the same results are given every single year by the data across all leagues and teams. Inswinging corners are objectively better.

Yet there's still managers out there, top managers with world class teams and records who refuse to believe this and promote the outswinger because they think they know better.

City famously came up with this piece of data in 11/12. Gavin Fleig sat Mancini down and summarised 400 hours of corner footage and showed him the stats and we went from not scoring a corner in 23 games to scoring 15 goals from corners that year.

Again, this is a settled debate in football. There's no question about it - inswingers produce more goals and more chances. Yet we have to watch in the top leagues in the world the same old outswingers again and again because of some bullshit fantasy knowledge they learnt through osmosis years ago. It's maddening.
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Because your average manager (and probably Pep) is thick as pig shit. Most football managers were ex players and most ex players have limited education. Stupid as it sounds I wonder if ex players make the best managers - it's whether playing the game at that high a level evens out for being dumb as toast.
 
Marvin said:
I thought City did well up to a point. But CFC just wanted to protect the result. They didn't take any risks. 1st half we played really well, but then CFC changed tactics and just protected the game. We need to replace Aguero. It's impossible to create chances with a forward who is so slow
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You had more then enough chances tho, that's the point. Chelsea didn't really change tactics as much as people want to think they did. It was the same thing just City were on and off the intensity in the second half, which made it seem like Chelsea had changed something.
 
Blueknows said:
Feck off BBC............
Incredible miss at Stamford Bridge.

Sergio Aguero latches on to Nolito's inch-perfect pass to force Thibaut Courtois into a crucila save.

From the following corner, John Stones is free six yards out, no defenders around him but somehow manages to scoop the ball over the crossbar.

Can City have their £50m back please?
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I checked it again and it said £47.5m. Rag bastards.

uteblue said:
Right let's just ignore the results and look at the positives, why don't you give me one from today
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A point for us would probably have made very little difference in the overall scheme of things. It would also have sparked the mother of all Spurs wankfests. If they won the league I'd be almost as gutted as if the Rags did it.
 
Are the posters saying I hope we don't get too,four just trying to be controversial or are they really that dim?
 
bugsyblue said:
I completely agree. This season is clearly a transitional one and maybe our great start initially blinded Pep but given Navas is at right back why not blood Maffeo in the league he seriously wouldn't do any worse.

For a club with all the resources and top personnel in world football we don't half make some stupid mistakes.
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Baffling. I think Garcia could have had more game time as well, no doubt we will palm him off on loan somewhere and bring in a £20mil up and coming midfielder to take up his spot.
 
I'd maybe have a young hungry striker on the bench called Kelechi instead of Fernando. Then bring him on!
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Yes good points but this is Conte's first season and this is Pep first season. Last season Chelsea finished 10th. Both new managers, both in first prem league seasons. Why has Conte pissed so much on us and we are 14 points behind. Sorry simply not good enough and our team has regressed from MP and is arguably worse than last season and given we have the so called worlds best manager are we not entitled to be a little pissed off?
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Conti hasn't got a bunch of geriatric playing week in week out or has to play against 12 he has had referees on there side all season and the main one was at our place!
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Yes good points but this is Conte's first season and this is Pep first season. Last season Chelsea finished 10th. Both new managers, both in first prem league seasons. Why has Conte pissed so much on us and we are 14 points behind. Sorry simply not good enough and our team has regressed from MP and is arguably worse than last season and given we have the so called worlds best manager are we not entitled to be a little pissed off?
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Conte hasn't had to deal with CL.

For us, on top of the CL, we had to deal with a few months of poor goalkeeping so much so that we now rely on our second keeper, which I believe played a big part in our home draws and loss. Trying to figure out the defensive pairing for many months didn't help either.
 
The Riot Club said:
They're not shite though are they. I'd take about 4 of their first team in place of ours. Rose, Walker, Vertonghen and Alli.
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With our comparative squads it's unbelievable we are this far behind. The fact that you'd take 3 reasonable but far from world class defenders highlights how poor we are in that area.
 
I'm struggling to get my head around a fair bit of what is being written here. It's obviously frustrating that we lost, all the more so coming on the back of essentially tossing two points away at Arsenal. But the performance today was far better. First half, some of the football was excellent, and we were cutting through their lines almost at will. Conte was obviously worried about it, hence why he brought Matic on. But we played into their hands by gifting them two goals through poor individual mistakes (as ever).

Once they managed to get in at half-time ahead (undeservedly) and make the sub, it was always going to be difficult in the second half as they just dropped deep, closed off any space behind and tried to keep us at bay. And it's something they're fucking good at- it's one of the reasons they've been pissing the league since Autumn. The idea that we should be able to carve them open at will when they're playing like that is unrealistic. And yet we did still create opportunities - Fernandinho missed a gilt-edged chance, Stones did too, and had a clear header he should have done better with, Vinny hit the bar, and Aguero had the chance at the end. That's five good/very good chances in a single half against the top side in the country, away from home, when they're just set up to defend. And it leaves aside the other 'half' chances where we got in, put balls acroos the box but they were dealt with through good defending.

So the criticism today seems a bit misplaced to me. There was nothing naive about the way we played - had we been more 'pragmatic', defended deeper, stuck Fernando in midfield to 'shore things up' etc., there's still every chance that Willy would have been called on to try to save a simple shot straight at him, or Fernandinho to judge a tackle in the box. No system is ever going to stop that.

You could perhaps argue that he might have made the subs earlier. That's fair enough. But we were well on top, and there was fuck all space for Sterling to try and run into anyway. So I can understand why you would want to keep on those players who can produce something from in front of their defence - i.e. Silva, De Bruyne.

Shit, even the criticism of our set-pieces, which is usually warranted, wasn't tonight - three of our chances in the second half all came directly from corners or free-kicks.
 
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