Chelsea (H) Post Match Thread

[Paladin]

Richard Keays just put a very credible conspiracy theory to Andy Gray.....Antonio Conte is purposely sabotaging Chelsea’s tactics to get himself sacked so that he can get his millions in compensation and bugger off back to Italy.

Conspiracy theory about Chelsea? Here’s mine.

Conte wants out. He wasn’t backed in either of the last two transfer windows, and he sees himself away from Chelsea. But he won’t resign and miss out on his compensation. He is therefore deliberately punishing Chelsea by sabotaging their Champions League spot for next year, and landing them in the Europa League.

Abramovich is being equally stubborn. He’s won the lot at Chelsea, and has no intention of bailing out. He is playing Conte at his own game, and just sitting it out waiting for him to resign. Abramovich is willing to miss out on silverware for two seasons just to spite his want-away manager, and he will force him to either see out his contract, or resign.

These two are the opposing forces, and everyone else is just a pawn in the game. How will it play out?

- Conte resigns in the summer. New manager comes in, Chelsea start rebuilding.
- Conte sees out his contract. Their best players seek moves in the summer and are replaced by inferior players. They regress even further next season.

 

[schfc6]

Conspiracy theory about Chelsea? Here’s mine.

Conte wants out. He wasn’t backed in either of the last two transfer windows, and he sees himself away from Chelsea. But he won’t resign and miss out on his compensation. He is therefore deliberately punishing Chelsea by sabotaging their Champions League spot for next year, and landing them in the Europa League.

Abramovich is being equally stubborn. He’s won the lot at Chelsea, and has no intention of bailing out. He is playing Conte at his own game, and just sitting it out waiting for him to resign. Abramovich is willing to miss out on silverware for two seasons just to spite his want-away manager, and he will force him to either see out his contract, or resign.

These two are the opposing forces, and everyone else is just a pawn in the game. How will it play out?

- Conte resigns in the summer. New manager comes in, Chelsea start rebuilding.
- Conte sees out his contract. Their best players seek moves in the summer and are replaced by inferior players. They regress even further next season.

Where has this 'not been backed in the transfer market' myth come from?
They've spent best part of £250million since winning the league.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Chelsea were simply outplayed on Sunday. We don't need any conspiracy theories to explain City's win and Keays might like to explain why Conte made no apparent effort to sabotage Chelsea's tactics at OT. What we do know is that Keays and Grey would rather be caught stealing the charity collection than praising City and this is why they come up with such rubbish. Conte is a dedicated manager and to suggest he would ever sabotage his teams chances is insulting nonsense. What was plain the week before at the swamp was that Morata is not playing well and was unlikely to have a good game at the Etihad while Giroud does not have the range of skills to lead Chelsea's attack against "top" teams. And in the event Chelsea never got enough good ball to break in any numbers at pace. City were simply too good for them on Sunday.

 

[Rolee]

Where has this 'not been backed in the transfer market' myth come from?
They've spent best part of £250million since winning the league.

Apparently players were bought without him giving the say so.

 

[OB1]

the thing with liverpool is that they have the quality technically to go with the "klopp press" which is quite a potent combination similar to our hunt in packs press, hence the scorelines we get 1-4, 5-0,4-3
they are the team to watch in my opinion, especially if they improve their backline

Liverpool and Spurs do appear to be the teams going in the right direction but they still have to get past mega-bucks ManYoo, and Chelsea have proved very resilient during the Abramovich reign. I think it is all about us though, in the sense that the combination of City's finances and Pep's coaching can be enough to keep us ahead of the competition regardless of what they do.

 

[OB1]

Apparently players were bought without him giving the say so.

I definitely get the impression that Giroud was not a player Conte was clamouring for.

I do think Conte wants out but cannot afford to resign due to the way Chelsea structured his contract which, IIRC, means he would have to pay them compensation. I don't believe Conte would sabotage his team though and he chose his tactics for exactly the reasons he said he did.

 

[schfc6]

Apparently players were bought without him giving the say so.

Maybe the odd one, but come on. He's worked with Moratta before, Zapacosta too. There's no way Rudiger was forced on him & even if he was, he's still playing him in place of Luiz & Cahill who won him the league. Bakayoko, he was one of the most sought after players in Europe. I'd guess Palmeri was his, as he was signed after Emanalo(sp) left. He wanted a big man & got Giroud. A very good PL target man.

I know he wanted Sandro & Lumpkaku, but fuck me Peg wanted Perisic & Moratta & Pep wanted Alves & Sanchez. You can't get everyone.

I don't think City fans should be perpetuating the myth that he's been hard done to. £250 million on international footballers is hardly showing a lack of support. It's him that has fucked off Costa, didn't try keeping Matic, fell out with Luiz is now apparently alienating Hazard.

 

[Rolee]

Maybe the odd one, but come on. He's worked with Moratta before, Zapacosta too. There's no way Rudiger was forced on him & even if he was, he's still playing him in place of Luiz & Cahill who won him the league. Bakayoko, he was one of the most sought after players in Europe. I'd guess Palmeri was his, as he was signed after Emanalo(sp) left. He wanted a big man & got Giroud. A very good PL target man.

I know he wanted Sandro & Lumpkaku, but fuck me Peg wanted Perisic & Moratta & Pep wanted Alves & Sanchez. You can't get everyone.

I don't think City fans should be perpetuating the myth that he's been hard done to. £250 million on international footballers is hardly showing a lack of support. It's him that has fucked off Costa, didn't try keeping Matic, fell out with Luiz is now apparently alienating Hazard.

Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not perpetuating anything or excusing him or them in any way.

My comment was an attempt to explain why the belief exists that he wasn't backed, it's not to do with money was the point i was trying to make.

 

[schfc6]

Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not perpetuating anything or excusing him or them in any way.

My comment was an attempt to explain why the belief exists that he wasn't backed, it's not to do with money was the point i was trying to make.

Fair enough, it's soft journalism abnormal, not heard much in the media about the £250 million outlay. It seems a given that ourselves & the Rags have blown them out of the water. Sunday Moratta was the most expensive player in the match day squad and I'd bet good money Luiz & Hazard were the top earners.

In fairness I did hear Durham saying Aubamayang was the most expensive and Ozil was the best paid players vs us.

 

[tonea2003]

Liverpool and Spurs do appear to be the teams going in the right direction but they still have to get past mega-bucks ManYoo, and Chelsea have proved very resilient during the Abramovich reign. I think it is all about us though, in the sense that the combination of City's finances and Pep's coaching can be enough to keep us ahead of the competition regardless of what they do.

don't get wrong, i think we are going over the hill and far away at our current rate given the combination you state, the big thing is to get pep to commit to long term contract extension

 

[tonea2003]

Chelsea were simply outplayed on Sunday. We don't need any conspiracy theories to explain City's win and Keays might like to explain why Conte made no apparent effort to sabotage Chelsea's tactics at OT. What we do know is that Keays and Grey would rather be caught stealing the charity collection than praising City and this is why they come up with such rubbish. Conte is a dedicated manager and to suggest he would ever sabotage his teams chances is insulting nonsense. What was plain the week before at the swamp was that Morata is not playing well and was unlikely to have a good game at the Etihad while Giroud does not have the range of skills to lead Chelsea's attack against "top" teams. And in the event Chelsea never got enough good ball to break in any numbers at pace. City were simply too good for them on Sunday.

i agree and not just physically, we outplayed them mentally, hence conte's negative tactics from the off, its a good place to be in where teams are writing results off against us and resorting to damage limitation
in a way i applaud liverpool for their tactics to go toe to toe with us, as it is a high risk strategy and could go either way as we have seen.
the wigan way is pure luck and 99 times out of 100 they would lose

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Both Chelsea and the Rags have had there arses slapped by City this year and media have come out with shite conspiracy theories or we have spent more money than them

Its all bollocks they can't compete with us and they know it in all areas.

Dippers improve there GK and defence and they will be the only ones competing with us next year.

 

[Chris in London]

Both Chelsea and the Rags have had there arses slapped by City this year and media have come out with shite conspiracy theories or we have spent more money than them

Its all bollocks they can't compete with us and they know it in all areas.

Dippers improve there GK and defence and they will be the only ones competing with us next year.

Seriously? "Next year, la, its gonna be our year"?


It always is :)

 

[Paladin]

Maybe the odd one, but come on. He's worked with Moratta before, Zapacosta too. There's no way Rudiger was forced on him & even if he was, he's still playing him in place of Luiz & Cahill who won him the league. Bakayoko, he was one of the most sought after players in Europe. I'd guess Palmeri was his, as he was signed after Emanalo(sp) left. He wanted a big man & got Giroud. A very good PL target man.

I know he wanted Sandro & Lumpkaku, but fuck me Peg wanted Perisic & Moratta & Pep wanted Alves & Sanchez. You can't get everyone.

I don't think City fans should be perpetuating the myth that he's been hard done to. £250 million on international footballers is hardly showing a lack of support. It's him that has fucked off Costa, didn't try keeping Matic, fell out with Luiz is now apparently alienating Hazard.

Barklay and Drinkwater were no upgrade on whoever went before. These two look like club signings, not first choices. They're like our equivalent of Fernando, Rodwell, Sinclair. They were never going to help Chelsea maintain last season's level of achievement.

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

have you seen the pass chart of the game??? One huge black blob......it is hilarious.

 

[aguero93:20]

have you seen the pass chart of the game??? One huge black blob......it is hilarious.

Link?

 

[schfc6]

Barklay and Drinkwater were no upgrade on whoever went before. These two look like club signings, not first choices. They're like our equivalent of Fernando, Rodwell, Sinclair. They were never going to help Chelsea maintain last season's level of achievement.

We signed 6 major players.

Ederson & Walker have greatly improved us. Bernardo is starting to show top form. Danilo is back up. Mendy has played about two hours. Laporte has made two starts?

So, we've effectively added two starters to our starting xi. So have they. Bakayoko & Moratta cost £100m. Spin it anyway, if you spend £100m on two players, they're to improve your side. Not to mention Rudiger who he starts in place of Cahil & Luiz.
So Conte has actually added more in terms of cost and players to his first xi.

There is no room for moaning, even if Drinkwater & Barkley are just squad me, both are internationals and in their own right £30m + players. One has won the prem starting week in week out.
In comparison to us, Drinkwater is their Gundogan & Barkley is YaYa.

They have invested as much as anyone. £100m of our investment this season has seen about 500 minutes of action.

They've added £80 m worth of experienced international strikers.
£80/£90m of experienced international midfielders and 3 defenders.
That's plenty for someone moaning about lack of backing.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

i agree and not just physically, we outplayed them mentally, hence conte's negative tactics from the off, its a good place to be in where teams are writing results off against us and resorting to damage limitation
in a way i applaud liverpool for their tactics to go toe to toe with us, as it is a high risk strategy and could go either way as we have seen.
the wigan way is pure luck and 99 times out of 100 they would lose

Although they’ve now beaten us 3 times out of 3!

 

[Seedy Ron]

Although they’ve now beaten us 3 times out of 3!

In the FA Cup yes. We smashed them 5-0 in the league cup the season after the FA Cup final so i like to think we have beat them 6-4 over the last four games. Sad I know.

 

[cptnemo]

Wife won some tickets for the legends lounge on Facebook. Was a fantastic day. City was brilliant played Chelsea off the field. Can't believe I missed the goal though oops, I blame the free beer hehe.