Chelsea (H) | Post-Match Thread

shevtheblue said:
This has got to be a wind up. For avoidance of doubt, the guy that has never "got" football has taken every single tropy seriously unlike some managers who i assume you will think "GET" English football. English football is just football like any other, that's why every fucking manager in the country is trying to play out the back and break the lines all of a sudden.

The greatest, and most influential manager that football has ever seen and he'll be an absolute fucking legend when he pack it in. But yeah, you keep going..
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Bill wants us to play 442 and start the same players every week.
The English way.
 
Dribble said:
It really is as simple as that. It's business logic that some with an employee mentality fail to grasp.

When you see an opportunity, grab it with both hands. You don't fuck about, especially not against a resurgent Chelsea team in excellent form, & who are turning teams over without conceding much.
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Right, because those of us with businesses never look at the bigger picture and plan longer term,
 
HelloCity said:
Relax.

Sit back and enjoy potentially one of the greatest season’s we’ve ever had and will ever have.
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I'm perfectly relaxed, but pissed off with a missed opportunity to wrap up the league. If you can see the sense in what we did on Saturday, then fine. Explain it to me. I'm struggling to see why we'd not secure the league first, & then change to a 5-1-4 formation & bring on the rotation players.
 
shevtheblue said:
This has got to be a wind up. For avoidance of doubt, the guy that has never "got" football has taken every single tropy seriously unlike some managers who i assume you will think "GET" English football. English football is just football like any other, that's why every fucking manager in the country is trying to play out the back and break the lines all of a sudden.

The greatest, and most influential manager that football has ever seen and he'll be an absolute fucking legend when he pack it in. But yeah, you keep going..
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Still possible he makes mistakes though. We don't have the information Pep has or the skills he has. However, he has delivered the goods time and time again, and therefore deserves trust. However, that doesn't make him a God. He will get scrutinised whether you like it or not because he is human. And human beings are frail.
 
Pablo1 said:
Bill wants us to play 442 and start the same players every week.
The English way.
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I remember a couple of games at the start of Pep's first season and thickos like ol' Bill here in the car park crying because Pep wanted to play out the back. I specifically remember, as we were stuck in the car park on the way home from one of the European games that i think we drew, 2 guys opening their windows and just gobbing off how they were alway told to get rid when they played the game. You would have though after getting 100 points, breaking nearly every fucking record going and being able to see the best football of any team IN THE WORLD, some would have understood this playstyle a bit more....
 
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Brightwell Bros. said:
I can see you're posting in good faith, pal, which is more than others, I just wish there was a way that I could relieve you of some of this anxiety.

Put it this way, if we don't win the league from here, I will be much angrier about losing back to back games against Newcastle, Brighton and Everton than I will be losing to Chelsea! Regardless, I think we will be celebrating on Friday night one way or another and then we can all start shitting it for the CL final.
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Mate, I'm pissed off, NOT anxious. Some see Saturday as a risk worth taking. I didn't. When it was obvious we stood a big chance of losing, the very players some are saying couldn't play because they were too pooped from Tuesday, were the one's we called on to turn Saturday's match around.

Why couldn't we have started with them, got the job done, & then brought on some of the fringe players to see the match out? That's all I'm saying. If you can see the sense in what we did om Saturday, please explain it, because I'm at a loss... :-|
 
Marvin said:
Still possible he makes mistakes though. We don't have the information Pep has or the skills he has. However, he has delivered the goods time and time again, and therefore deserves trust. However, that doesn't make him a God. He will get scrutinised whether you like it or not because he is human. And human beings are frail.
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I don't think anyone is saying you can't scrutinize Pep, what's the point in football if we are to just sit back and accept everything? But the post i replied to said he didn't "get" English football and that he threw away a semi final. Both points are bollocks and that's 100% something he doesn't deserve.
 
Dribble said:
Mate, I'm pissed off, NOT anxious. Some see Saturday as a risk worth taking. I didn't. When it was obvious we stood a big chance of losing, the very players some are saying couldn't play because they were too pooped from Tuesday, were the one's we called on to turn Saturday's match around.

Why couldn't we have started with them, got the job done, & then brought on some of the fringe players to see the match out? That's all I'm saying. If you can see the sense in what we did om Saturday, please explain it, because I'm at a loss... :-|
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I agree with you, we should have played some of the guys from the PSG game and wrapped up the league. But Pep always says he trusts his players, looks like some of them are failing him as that that was good enough to beat the players Chelsea put out.

There was clearly some work done tactically to combat what Chelsea bring to the table, Aguero scores his Pen and the games over IMO.
 
Dribble said:
I'm perfectly relaxed, but pissed off with a missed opportunity to wrap up the league. If you can see the sense in what we did on Saturday, then fine. Explain it to me. I'm struggling to see why we'd not secure the league first, & then change to a 5-1-4 formation & bring on the rotation players.
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I’d imagine that many of the players were knackered and it’s not worth risking any muscle injuries at this point in the season with a CL final secured and the league close to being finished. It’s been a long season with barely any breaks. Pep would also have wanted to keep moral high amongst the squad with those who will have been disappointed not to play a part or a big part on Tuesday.

Like I say, it’ll mean absolutely nothing if we win the final and you’ll wonder what you were so bothered about. It’s a waste of energy being this wound up about it when the bigger picture is nothing but pure glory and the greatest you will ever see.
 
Dribble said:
Mate, I'm pissed off, NOT anxious. Some see Saturday as a risk worth taking. I didn't. When it was obvious we stood a big chance of losing, the very players some are saying couldn't play because they were too pooped from Tuesday, were the one's we called on to turn Saturday's match around.

Why couldn't we have started with them, got the job done, & then brought on some of the fringe players to see the match out? That's all I'm saying. If you can see the sense in what we did om Saturday, please explain it, because I'm at a loss... :-|
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The sense is:

1) The league, as Pep and I and many other supporter understand it, is won. This was not an important game in the context of a one off match in the rest of the league season.

2) That our key players needed a break after an incredible, exhausting performance in very weird weather conditions at the end of a very long and weird month and season.

3) Many, including Kev, were carrying bumps, and would be grateful for the recovery time.

4) That the rest of the squad, disappointed at not starting in the semi, needed to be told they were still valuable to avoid needless arguments in the coming weeks.

5) That he could keep the first eleven, which we all expect to be different in the CL, motivated by not having them win the game and then take the final for granted.

6) That he didn't want to give the Chelsea side any match experience playing against our top players or formation.

7) That we could experiment against their formation, testing to see what gaps and weaknesses they have in their team.

8) That Pep trusts our players, more than our fans apparently, and that he believed he put out a team that could get a result. On the chance they didn't, it will be much, much easier explaining to them why they are on the bench come the final.

Whether you agree with all those points is neither here nor there, that's the logic.
 
shevtheblue said:
This has got to be a wind up. For avoidance of doubt, the guy that has never "got" football has taken every single tropy seriously unlike some managers who i assume you will think "GET" English football. English football is just football like any other, that's why every fucking manager in the country is trying to play out the back and break the lines all of a sudden.

The greatest, and most influential manager that football has ever seen and he'll be an absolute fucking legend when he pack it in. But yeah, you keep going..
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he not rotates semi finals and title clinchers he rotates Derby games ffs.
how anyone can be happy with that is beyond me.
maybe it's me ,maybe i don't live near enough to Manchester or attended enough games.
 
worcesterman said:
why 9 changes when we dont have a match till Friday.
Should have put a better team out and clinched the title, now with the Reds winning at Villa there is some pressure and the Champions will be 1 week nearer before we play again.
The Reds could be 4 points behind on Friday, will he put a sub standard team out at Newcastle}
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Hey look it's a rag ****!
 
Bill said:
he not rotates semi finals and title clinchers he rotates Derby games ffs.
how anyone can be happy with that is beyond me.
maybe it's me ,maybe i don't live near enough to Manchester or attended enough games.
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I don't think anyone is happy with that, but that's football. He's not the only manager that's done things like that but when you look at his record, he's had more good results than nearly any manager while doing it..
 
Bill said:
he not rotates semi finals and title clinchers he rotates Derby games ffs.
how anyone can be happy with that is beyond me.
maybe it's me ,maybe i don't live near enough to Manchester or attended enough games.
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You're right. Forget the titles, the gorgeous football, all the records.

I'm not happy because Pep rotates and we lose sometimes.
 
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