Chelsea post match thread

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bluemoon98 said:
No the manager does take some of the blame. But to put it solely down to him is mad. As I've said twice and you still seem to go on the players are still playing. Let's face it you weren't moaning 2 years ago about his formations and tactics when it won us the league and we only lost at home a few times in the season (in all competitions)
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Dya wanna bloody bet!!!! Lol :-)

Mate it's well documented that I was one of many who spotted the flaws with Manuel form the very first match of his reign against Newcastle. Although we were battering them in attack, I'd never seen us so open which I just put down to early season exuberance. By the time we got to Bayern at home, I'd seen enough to spot the Manuel of today back then.

Just like many others who were worried by the complete abandonment of our defensive solidity, I warned as early as then that if he continued, it would all turn to shit sooner rather than later. We were lucky Liverpool imploded that season and that Manuel reverted to using one striker which meant we won all our remaining games and sneaked past Liverpool to win the title.

The following season we weren't so lucky because even Management luminaries such as Allardyce, Pulis, Pardew and Hughes had figured us out hence we won fuck all. This season Manuel seemed to have learned his lesson from the previous one and started with a solid formation and we won 5 on the trot without conceding, then all it took was for us to come up against a stubborn Watford for the first half at home and in the 2nd half Manuel reverted back to 442, Sterling scored after 2 minutes and that was the end of our season........... 442 was firmly back on the menu and we haven't looked back since have we?

Now I don't know what we are, but my observations have been rock solidly consistent from day one and just like many others we saw this coming and it WASN'T down to our players!
 
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Dya wanna bloody bet!!!! Lol :-)

Mate it's well documented that I was one of many who spotted the flaws with Manuel form the very first match of his reign against Newcastle. Although we were battering them in attack, I'd never seen us so open which I just put down to early season exuberance. By the time we got to Bayern at home, I'd seen enough to spot the Manuel of today back then.

Just like many others who were worried by the complete abandonment of our defensive solidity, I warned as early as then that if he continued, it would all turn to shit sooner rather than later. We were lucky Liverpool imploded that season and that Manuel reverted to using one striker which meant we won all our remaining games and sneaked past Liverpool to win the title.

The following season we weren't so lucky because even Management luminaries such as Allardyce, Pulis, Pardew and Hughes had figured us out hence we won fuck all. This season Manuel seemed to have learned his lesson from the previous one and started with a solid formation and we won 5 on the trot without conceding, then all it took was for us to come up against a stubborn Watford for the first half at home and in the 2nd half Manuel reverted back to 442, Sterling scored after 2 minutes and that was the end of our season........... 442 was firmly back on the menu and we haven't looked back since have we?

Now I don't know what we are, but my observations have been rock solidly consistent from day one and just like many others we saw this coming and it WASN'T down to our players!
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More to do with kompany getting injured and then it was shit from then on.
 
bluemoon98 said:
Actually very true. Played and scored vs juventus 1-0 up got injured and we lost 1-2. Then we lost to West Ham at home 1-2 as well.
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Didn't e have 70mil of CB to play in cases where vk did get injured? Both of whom he signed? Both of whom he can't get to defend properly?
 
bondsman said:
Didn't e have 70mil of CB to play in cases where vk did get injured? Both of whom he signed? Both of whom he can't get to defend properly?
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They are both individually garbage for me hope pep can coach the shite out of them money wise we always gets screwed and we oblige
 
Fuck the Beeb, fuck the FA and the FA Cup, it means Fuck All and blues should give a fucking fuck about it, at least under this twisted context circumstances.

Well done the Engineer Pellegrini, making a stand for the club and waving a huge two finger to those corrupt English cunts in London; and the flapping drivel spouting wet fanny twunts populating this thread as a lynching mob can fuck off as well, with that kind of fans who needs the scum.

The decision made by the club and Pellers was the correct one. Now the corrupt media cunts and their scouses, rags, tarquins, spuds mercenaries are feeling with tears their bloody FA cup up their red arses.

UEFA wankers beware, the blues are coming to get you and exact sweet revenge for your twisted seeding and the bent FFP.

The glass is half full.
 
Dribble said:
Dya wanna bloody bet!!!! Lol :-)

Mate it's well documented that I was one of many who spotted the flaws with Manuel form the very first match of his reign against Newcastle. Although we were battering them in attack, I'd never seen us so open which I just put down to early season exuberance. By the time we got to Bayern at home, I'd seen enough to spot the Manuel of today back then.

Just like many others who were worried by the complete abandonment of our defensive solidity, I warned as early as then that if he continued, it would all turn to shit sooner rather than later. We were lucky Liverpool imploded that season and that Manuel reverted to using one striker which meant we won all our remaining games and sneaked past Liverpool to win the title.

The following season we weren't so lucky because even Management luminaries such as Allardyce, Pulis, Pardew and Hughes had figured us out hence we won fuck all. This season Manuel seemed to have learned his lesson from the previous one and started with a solid formation and we won 5 on the trot without conceding, then all it took was for us to come up against a stubborn Watford for the first half at home and in the 2nd half Manuel reverted back to 442, Sterling scored after 2 minutes and that was the end of our season........... 442 was firmly back on the menu and we haven't looked back since have we?

Now I don't know what we are, but my observations have been rock solidly consistent from day one and just like many others we saw this coming and it WASN'T down to our players!
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No doubt his lack of tactical awareness has cost us points and when the players were up for it they decided that because they actually did have more quality than the opposition they could use that fact to win enough games while in the case of Liverpool they self destructed but as you say they couldn't be bothered the year after and 2nd place more more than good enough once again.

This season it looks like the real failings of MP are there for all to see despite the injuries.

Best summarised by saying a good people person but not a top line manager.

I wonder if we had Guus to name but one in charge for the season if we would have lost as many games as we have with nearly a third of the season still to go.
 
mancity1 said:
No doubt his lack of tactical awareness has cost us points and when the players were up for it they decided that because they actually did have more quality than the opposition they could use that fact to win enough games while in the case of Liverpool they self destructed but as you say they couldn't be bothered the year after and 2nd place more more than good enough once again.

This season it looks like the real failings of MP are there for all to see despite the injuries.

Best summarised by saying a good people person but not a top line manager.

I wonder if we had Guus to name but one in charge for the season if we would have lost as many games as we have with nearly a third of the season still to go.
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I honestly think Manuel put himself under pressure to create a swashbuckling, sweep all before him legacy with the strongest club in the Premier League with the most resources. The funny thing is that I don't recall him being like this before he came here probably because he couldn't afford to be like that with Villareal and Malaga.

Ultimately the players have to carry out the manager's instructions so they must carry some culpability, but when its been over such a sustained period with a gradual decline, I'm sorry but the buck stops with Manuel. He's had the time, support players and resources to do better than he has so far.

The season is far from over yet, but Manuel's time at City will be gauged on whether the squad is in a better shape now that when he inherited it and as it stands today, I'd say that was a resounding no. It such a shame because it could have all been so different.
 
waspish said:
More to do with kompany getting injured and then it was shit from then on.
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It's a sad state of affairs if a club like City's fortune depend on any one player. Kompany missing was a blow, but it can't have effected us to the degree that it has. Its my belief our gradual decline has more to do with how we're set up and our tactics than Kompany being injured. Well that's my take on it anyway.
 
I think quite a few posters are very near to saying what I believe and what I will say out loud. Pellegrini's selection on Sunday was not an act of defiance but an act of desperation in the impossible situation the club had been put. Even so, had he been able to play Joe in goal and Vinnie with young Tosin in central defence City would have been right in the game with a real chance. Those kids played exceptionally well and were let down by our obsession with defending the 18 yard line while ignoring runs from midfield and by some very poor goalkeeping indeed. But with 4 vital games in 10 days the club had to "prioritise" and could not risk Vinnie in all four.
 
bondsman said:
Still a fan of pellers then mossiside? Will you still be should we lose next two games?
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its on a knife edge for me with pellegrini and he could easy fall on both sides. we are a million miles of the first 5 games when we seen manchester city winning 5 and 5 clean sheets and everybody said it was a 1 horse race for the title. but from that moment we are a shamble of a team and will be lucky to get 4th place and win anything with pellegrini stay in the club. its a dead man walking your getting the boot in the summer so why should I care I will still get my 12 months pay off and a pick of clubs wanting me

its a puzzle why keep him on till the summer it could end up with nothing and Europa league at best that's why the 2 games are going to get him the sack if we lose. you can not have a unhappy manager and squad at this stage of the season both players and manager know its going to be big changes in the summer so am still getting my money win lose or draw. that giving it all 110% for the club is bollocks when you see yaya walking around and pulling out of the tackles and also the back 4 without Kompany and zabba is the worst in the league and the 2 top teams beatings home and away and 6 points clear of us shocking

for me a stand in manager till the summer with 12 league games will have more of a impacted and maybe fire up the players can it get any worst than the last 20 games we played under pellegrini
even if pep number 2 that he will bring with him at the club could come in right now and just settle things down and get us playing
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
I think quite a few posters are very near to saying what I believe and what I will say out loud. Pellegrini's selection on Sunday was not an act of defiance but an act of desperation in the impossible situation the club had been put. Even so, had he been able to play Joe in goal and Vinnie with young Tosin in central defence City would have been right in the game with a real chance. Those kids played exceptionally well and were let down by our obsession with defending the 18 yard line while ignoring runs from midfield and by some very poor goalkeeping indeed. But with 4 vital games in 10 days the club had to "prioritise" and could not risk Vinnie in all four.
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4 vital games in 10 days the club had to "prioritise" and could not risk Vinnie in all four

that is why pellegrini is a crap manager and under pressure we should never be down to bare bones am sorry he's had 3 seasons to sort out the back 4 and every time we press the panic botton and signed a last min players.the strikers we let go in the summer and without replacement and then forgot to add Iheanacho in the champions league squad leaving us with just aguero and bony knowing aguero is only a game away from a injury. the start of last season you could see we was never going to win anything and pellegrini lack of a plan B and holding the line when defending was on show from the start and easy to undo by teams we was a shamble last season and nothing really change even with big money signings only KDB can hold his hands and say he added something to the squad
 
Dribble said:
Are you saying the players are deliberately downing tools?
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Not saying that at all. The point I am making is that I do not believe how you can simply say the manager is at fault when there are many factors, which IMO include:

Players on the decline both physically and mentally
Players not being robots, able to play at peak performance week in week out
Squad depth not that deep, coupled with injuries to key personnel
Only needing one or two off their game to bring the team performance down

I'm not in anyway trying to absolve the manager of any blame, but I strongly believe he is not solely to blame.

I'm not asking you to agree / disagree with my opinions as they are simply my opinion. I feel though that many on here are so set in their beliefs, they cannot accept any other reasoning.
 
ancoats said:
its on a knife edge for me with pellegrini and he could easy fall on both sides. we are a million miles of the first 5 games when we seen manchester city winning 5 and 5 clean sheets and everybody said it was a 1 horse race for the title. but from that moment we are a shamble of a team and will be lucky to get 4th place and win anything with pellegrini stay in the club. its a dead man walking your getting the boot in the summer so why should I care I will still get my 12 months pay off and a pick of clubs wanting me

its a puzzle why keep him on till the summer it could end up with nothing and Europa league at best that's why the 2 games are going to get him the sack if we lose. you can not have a unhappy manager and squad at this stage of the season both players and manager know its going to be big changes in the summer so am still getting my money win lose or draw. that giving it all 110% for the club is bollocks when you see yaya walking around and pulling out of the tackles and also the back 4 without Kompany and zabba is the worst in the league and the 2 top teams beatings home and away and 6 points clear of us shocking

for me a stand in manager till the summer with 12 league games will have more of a impacted and maybe fire up the players can it get any worst than the last 20 games we played under pellegrini
even if pep number 2 that he will bring with him at the club could come in right now and just settle things down and get us playing
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A) how do you know he will be sacked if we lose the next two games?
B) who would you suggest is brought in to replace him at this stage in the season? (and is available)
 
mosssideblue said:
A) how do you know he will be sacked if we lose the next two games?
B) who would you suggest is brought in to replace him at this stage in the season? (and is available)
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A I don't I just think he should go
B somebody from pep coaching team that he will want at man city when he comes in the summer

its just feels like everybody at the club given up on this season and the manager lost all control. from the look of things from the outside in players are just going through the motions and maybe looking at getting away for the summer already and when players start to look at whats going to happen next then its game over for me if there minds are not of the job how can you get the best from them. pellegrini is a dead man walking and knows it and the club just giving him the boot out of man city with 12 months paid up in full he's looking for a new job and not looking at what is happing at Manchester city why should he
 
mosssideblue said:
Not saying that at all. The point I am making is that I do not believe how you can simply say the manager is at fault when there are many factors, which IMO include:

Players on the decline both physically and mentally
Players not being robots, able to play at peak performance week in week out
Squad depth not that deep, coupled with injuries to key personnel
Only needing one or two off their game to bring the team performance down

I'm not in anyway trying to absolve the manager of any blame, but I strongly believe he is not solely to blame.

I'm not asking you to agree / disagree with my opinions as they are simply my opinion. I feel though that many on here are so set in their beliefs, they cannot accept any other reasoning.
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I'm as open minded about our decline as the next fan, but the slant of your post seems to be putting the emphasis of 'fault' on the players as the manager has no control over what they do once they cross the white line when I would beg to differ.

A blip is a blip. Every team has its off days and periods of bad form, but over the last two seasons bad form for us seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

Players on the decline both physically and mentally
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Manuel's been here long enough to make changes to the playing staff who are 'both mentally and physically' on the decline. If this is the case why wasn't this identified and the players replaced?

Players not being robots, able to play at peak performance week in week out
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No-one is saying players are automatons and should be able to play at their peak week in week out and this is why we have squads. Yes ours is decimated by injury, but we have more than enough quality from those who are left to be performing better than we have been and I'm not just talking about since October either.

Squad depth not that deep, coupled with injuries to key personnel
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We have a squad of 25 players (the same as everyone else) that near enough every team in the Premier League would swap with. Other teams have injury concerns with key personnel too, ours may be worst than most at the moment, but what was the excuse for last season's less than inspiring showing? Blips happen, but when it becomes a frequent pattern, at what point do you start to look beyond probably the strongest squad of players in our history?

Only needing one or two off their game to bring the team performance down
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Again this is why we have a squad as cover for injuries, loss of form, suspensions and fatigue, how that squad is managed is a totally different question.

I know you say you are 'not trying to absolve the manager of any blame', but why isn't the managerial factor included in your 'fault' list. I'm not set in my beliefs, I just call it as I see it as the time for excuses passed a very long time ago and judging by their actions, our owner and his team think the same.
 
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