Chelsea Thread - 2021/22

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MCFCSteven said:
Aside from Spurs if you count them, none of the elite clubs have British owners.
I know its what blue moon does to downplay the points of critics and flip their points back on them but the people who complain about the dirty oil money make it quite clear why they dislike the gulf states and why the money is dirty.

And yes, I'm sure the FSGs and the Kroenkes of the world have their issue, and sure the US could have human rights issues but the thing is they are private individuals unconnected to the judicial system or government. This is a false equivalency. You're also acting like the American owners save for the dippers ones arent called to be removed all the time, that americans and chinese are minority owners in CFG and even though we act like the owners are against each-other they are obviously cozy as the Super League showed.

Look, almost all the megarich have shady connections, people just dont like when the curtain is lifted on something they're sentimental about.
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I think you misunderstand my point. I believe that football is being manipulated by groups whose aims are purly political and ideological and they have nothing whatsoever to do with football. There are elements of racism but above all they wish to use football as a weapon in a crusade which has nothing to do with sport. Specifically their concern is with the domestic affairs of other countries and they ignore the conduct of football owners in our country.

I point out that RA has been sanctioned by the British government and as a result he has decided to sell up and that is not a matter that concerns the football authorities. In the UK RA has broken no laws or football regulations and the responsibility of the football authorities is to ensure that Chelsea survives as a club. It is hard to assess what influence RA has on Putin, if any, but that is a government concern not football's. Sheikh Mansour is deputy PM of the UAE but it is again a matter for our government to decide how much the UK wishes to interfere in their internal affairs. They do not interfere in ours! As far as football goes the Sheikh and Manchester City are concerned they have broken no laws or football regulations and have set an example to the rest of the game in their support for women's football and in their involvement in the community. RA has certainly benefitted women's football at Chelsea. In England Sheikh Mansour and RA heva been positive forces. No-one can accuse them of anything.

This is in stark contrast to some of the owners and clubs who do not attract the ire of Guardian readers and pundits. Working conditions in Mike Ashley's enterprises were a disgrace and pregnant women having to give birth on shift is a lot more akin to modern slavery than anything else, yet he never faced anything like the sustained campaign against SM. It is also fair to say the FSG's takeover of Liverpool is a good example of a corrupt deal, and their hacking of City's computer system is hardly respectful of our laws. Their treatment of householders around the stadium should have offended the sensibilities of our political activists but the offence seems minimal and arouses little comment. Their conduct in American sport should have had the red lights flashing but it didn't. And so on.

My point is that if the questioning of football ownership is genuinely serious it should not be so obviously selective. If the aim is regime change or a change in the domestic policy of other countries then it should try and influence our government, otherwise it will have disastrous consequences. The English football authorities must concern themselves with football in England and NOT the domestic affairs of other countries.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
I think you misunderstand my point. I believe that football is being manipulated by groups whose aims are purly political and ideological and they have nothing whatsoever to do with football. There are elements of racism but above all they wish to use football as a weapon in a crusade which has nothing to do with sport. Specifically their concern is with the domestic affairs of other countries and they ignore the conduct of football owners in our country.

I point out that RA has been sanctioned by the British government and as a result he has decided to sell up and that is not a matter that concerns the football authorities. In the UK RA has broken no laws or football regulations and the responsibility of the football authorities is to ensure that Chelsea survives as a club. It is hard to assess what influence RA has on Putin, if any, but that is a government concern not football's. Sheikh Mansour is deputy PM of the UAE but it is again a matter for our government to decide how much the UK wishes to interfere in their internal affairs. They do not interfere in ours! As far as football goes the Sheikh and Manchester City are concerned they have broken no laws or football regulations and have set an example to the rest of the game in their support for women's football and in their involvement in the community. RA has certainly benefitted women's football at Chelsea. In England Sheikh Mansour and RA heva been positive forces. No-one can accuse them of anything.

This is in stark contrast to some of the owners and clubs who do not attract the ire of Guardian readers and pundits. Working conditions in Mike Ashley's enterprises were a disgrace and pregnant women having to give birth on shift is a lot more akin to modern slavery than anything else, yet he never faced anything like the sustained campaign against SM. It is also fair to say the FSG's takeover of Liverpool is a good example of a corrupt deal, and their hacking of City's computer system is hardly respectful of our laws. Their treatment of householders around the stadium should have offended the sensibilities of our political activists but the offence seems minimal and arouses little comment. Their conduct in American sport should have had the red lights flashing but it didn't. And so on.

My point is that if the questioning of football ownership is genuinely serious it should not be so obviously selective. If the aim is regime change or a change in the domestic policy of other countries then it should try and influence our government, otherwise it will have disastrous consequences. The English football authorities must concern themselves with football in England and NOT the domestic affairs of other countries.
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I agree overall, I did misunderstand, my bad. I do have to say that the domestic owners are ignored because they usually own mediocre sides that are irrelevant but like your example in Ashley, the local press and pundits screamed until they were blue in the face to remove him.

I forgot that FSG's team has had cheating scandals but in general the fit and proper test is a joke, to add to your example of ignoring what domestic owners do, what GSB did to Birmingham City was criminal.
 
MCFCSteven said:
I agree overall, I did misunderstand, my bad. I do have to say that the domestic owners are ignored because they usually own mediocre sides that are irrelevant but like your example in Ashley, the local press and pundits screamed until they were blue in the face to remove him.

I forgot that FSG's team has had cheating scandals but in general the fit and proper test is a joke, to add to your example of ignoring what domestic owners do, what GSB did to Birmingham City was criminal.
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I agree that our football authorities have done a very poor job in vetting owners and they failed completely in the Birmingham City "affair". In contrast, clubs have responded well to the situation in Ukraine by cancelling sponsorship deals with Russian companies and this raises the question of why the PL and UEFA were so obsessed with our Etihad deal and our other deals! I would also like to know why no questions have been asked about why Liverpool still have deals with repeat money launderers, especially as their sponsors have been fined yet again for dealing with sanctioned Russian banks!
 
bennyboy said:
I would like to think that they will have enough players no matter if unpaid or not to finish the season.
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It won’t be that. It will be the wages of the day to day staff and match day staff. I’m sure if it was just the players’ wages they’d play for free for the remaining games.
 
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