City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

LongsightM13 said:
Submitted a complaint to their ‘Readers Editor’ but not holding my breath. Hytner knows exactly what he has written and why, he has been writing about this since 2011 so to pretend it is an innocent mistake is disingenuous in the extreme

2011: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....jul/12/arsenal-manchester-city-premier-league

2020: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ppeal-verdict-tottenham-liverpool-disgraceful
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Nice one.

It's the ones who are purposely lying that annoy me most. Panja and whatsapp group...
They know what the score is and just lie and lie.
 
Gundog’s Gundog said:
Disagree. They’re maybe a year behind where we were when the great Thaksin sold up. Assuming they stay up they’ll be pushing for the top 4 by 24/25 at the latest. I don’t buy the London theory, Manchester’s pretty similar to Newcastle,the same northern city it always was just with a few more twats living in town now. A Louis Vuitton doesn’t really change things much yet we’ve attracted the world’s best players and kept them here.

Top players want $$$ and a working environment conducive to success, if Newcastle provide that then money, as it always has in the past, will talk and they’ll be successful
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There's a world of difference between 2008 and 2021.
Newcastle won't attract top quality players while there's a risk of relegation. They'll only attract end of career mercenaries with escape clauses in short contracts.
Throw as much money around as you want, the fact is that elite players won't go anywhere near a club that has no chance of European football next season. They're not stupid.
If Newcastle are bidding for the same players as say Arsenal and Spurs, it's a fair bet they'll have to pay massively over the odds in fees and wages to tempt someone to pick NE England over London.
They need a short term fix to keep them in the PL. There's no guarantee they'll stay up, or that if they do, that they'll even get into the PL top ten next season.
As for Newcastle being pretty similar to Manchester... There's a world of difference once you go north of the M62. Transport, housing, employment, weather... Manchester is vibrant and thriving, Newcastle isn't on the same level.

Their fastest way to long term success will be the Super League. The owners know that. That's why they've bought a club with a modern stadium / facilities in the PL.

Football fans may not like it, but that's where the game is going. The elite (richest) clubs will break away as soon as they get another opportunity.
 
Lavinda Past said:
There's a world of difference between 2008 and 2021.
Newcastle won't attract top quality players while there's a risk of relegation. They'll only attract end of career mercenaries with escape clauses in short contracts.
Throw as much money around as you want, the fact is that elite players won't go anywhere near a club that has no chance of European football next season. They're not stupid.
If Newcastle are bidding for the same players as say Arsenal and Spurs, it's a fair bet they'll have to pay massively over the odds in fees and wages to tempt someone to pick NE England over London.
They need a short term fix to keep them in the PL. There's no guarantee they'll stay up, or that if they do, that they'll even get into the PL top ten next season.
As for Newcastle being pretty similar to Manchester... There's a world of difference once you go north of the M62. Transport, housing, employment, weather... Manchester is vibrant and thriving, Newcastle isn't on the same level.

Their fastest way to long term success will be the Super League. The owners know that. That's why they've bought a club with a modern stadium / facilities in the PL.

Football fans may not like it, but that's where the game is going. The elite (richest) clubs will break away as soon as they get another opportunity.
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The Borough and bar codes attracted some top players well before we became a force. Didn't stop them going North.
 
Rammy Blue said:
I think Tolmie’s confusion is based around the chatter that it would have been better for some reason if we’d accepted it as being a related party, I recall there were conversations in the FFP thread when the CAS shit was going on as to why it would have made it potentially easier.
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Yep, I blame Prestwich Blue, it was probably something he said like that ;)
 
Some idiot called Simon Chadwick seems to think the vote is aimed at the SA owners of Newcastle and the AD owners of City as a warning that they can't buy their way to success and have to comply with the rules. Who is this cockwomble living in the past?
 
Blue Llama said:
All cartels are illegal as the whole point of one is to gain a business advantage for the members and reduce the attractiveness of those outside the cartel.
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That was my original understanding but we were subjected to action that constituted a barrier to entry at the early investment stage which resulted in a fine to City under FFP Regs Was that illegal,?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Some idiot called Simon Chadwick seems to think the vote is aimed at the SA owners of Newcastle and the AD owners of City as a warning that they can't buy their way to success and have to comply with the rules. Who is this cockwomble living in the past?
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Another whore to the narrative - one of the many shameless fuckers.
 
Near the end of that BBC article, it states that ffp was brought in to stop clubs ‘spending beyond their means’. What I have never understood, and why we’ve never properly challenged it, is this:

If a club has a super rich owner, willing to pump hundreds of millions into their club, surely that means the club does have the means? So why is that falling foul of ffp?

Surely if a club is only sponsored by local companies and has about 500k a year income, then obviously they can’t spend millions on players. But if your owner is putting in £800 million a year, say, why can’t the club spend £800m a year on players if it chooses?

Genuine question, I just don’t get it.

What I’m assuming is you can only spend that much if it’s been coming from selling Cantona duvets and official noodle sponsors in the Far East, but not if your owner is worth £20bn?
 
Semper aggressus said:
Near the end of that BBC article, it states that ffp was brought in to stop clubs ‘spending beyond their means’. What I have never understood, and why we’ve never properly challenged it, is this:

If a club has a super rich owner, willing to pump hundreds of millions into their club, surely that means the club does have the means? So why is that falling foul of ffp?
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When they say beyond their means, they mean beyond the cartel clubs' means ......
 
SilverFox2 said:
That was my original understanding but we were subjected to action that constituted a barrier to entry at the early investment stage which resulted in a fine to City under FFP Regs Was that illegal,?
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We never tested the cartel argument. City prepared their accounts and submitted them. The rules were changed and backdated and City ended up with a fine. It was generally felt that a deal had been done to find what City would accept and what UEFA would settle for without City taking it to the courts. I suspect if City had known then that this was not going to be the end of UEFA coming after them that they would not have settled without court action.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Some idiot called Simon Chadwick seems to think the vote is aimed at the SA owners of Newcastle and the AD owners of City as a warning that they can't buy their way to success and have to comply with the rules. Who is this cockwomble living in the past?
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I don't agree always with what he says but TBF to him his twitter feed is a brilliant resource including one academic article I saw from him that City aren't sportswashing. A bit different to the Delaney boys....
 
If Newcastle have any wits about them, they should be reaching out and making contact with City ASAP.

Get the lowdown on who we see as adversaries and ensure there is a pact to stick together.

I think we saw first sign of it by abstaining from the vote on this related parties Melarchy.

General thoughts:
Saudi’s have definitely missed the boat and are late to the party. We just got in, and now any help they can get from us they would be silly not to take it.

ps: I always wondered if QIS (Qatar) regretted buying PSG. Great brand it is now but in a shit league. Arguably they could have gone for a London club outside of Chelsea if they wanted that London brand…. But I get it it was a favor to Sarkosy for the Worldcup …. But they must wonder what if….. we were in the Premier League…
 
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